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Title: The Green
Post by: Bren4 on October 06, 2005, 11:05:51 PM
Where or what is "The Green".  I was browsing the Downham real estate pages and came across it.  I don't remember any place with such a name.  Either it's one of my memory black holes (got a lot of those lately) or it's something new.  Help me Downhamites old and new.
Bren
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Pauline on October 10, 2005, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: Bren4
Where or what is "The Green".  I was browsing the Downham real estate pages and came across it.  I don't remember any place with such a name.  Either it's one of my memory black holes (got a lot of those lately) or it's something new.  Help me Downhamites old and new.
Bren


Doesn't ring any bells with me Brenda.  I have mentally traversed the entire length and breadth of Downham, and nothing springs to mind.
Title: The Green
Post by: Bel on October 10, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
all  i  can think  of  Brenda is  that I used to  live round a green and  we had a green opposite as well. A round expance of grass with the houses set round them.  When I was a kid the "Green Man"  used to come round and we all used to run as we were not allowed to play on them. At one time they put a fence around and in trying to climb over it one of the spikes went right through my dress and I was left hanging.   I  was put straight to bed mid afternoon and not allowed down till next morning, as It was my best dress and I was already to go visiting! :oops: Never tried it again tho...Bel
Title: the Green
Post by: dickie eagle on October 11, 2005, 08:59:04 AM
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all  i  can think  of  Brenda is  that I used to  live round a green and  we had a green opposite as well. A round expance of grass with the houses set round them.  When I was a kid the "Green Man"  used to come round and we all used to run as we were not allowed to play on them. At one time they put a fence around and in trying to climb over it one of the spikes went right through my dress and I was left hanging.   I  was put straight to bed mid afternoon and not allowed down till next morning, as It was my best dress and I was already to go visiting! :oops: Never tried it again tho...Bel
poor Bel. I could have kissed it better.  The only time I ever heard the expression was at the bottom by the Change-over  any help ?as the conductor released the pole to connect the tram to the overhead wire    dickie......................xx
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Bren4 on October 16, 2005, 10:04:51 PM
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Where or what is "The Green".  I was browsing the Downham real estate pages and came across it.  I don't remember any place with such a name.  Either it's one of my memory black holes (got a lot of those lately) or it's something new.  Help me Downhamites old and new.
Bren

Thank you all for delving into your memories - even if it was to no avail.
Downham had lots of greens, large and small, didn't it?  But none was officially called "The Green" as far as I remember.  Mike, as our present day Downham resident, you'll have to get cracking on this one for me.  Perhaps things have changed there much more than I realise.
Bel - love your anecdote of hanging off the fence!
Hallo Dickie - was it you missing for a while or me?
Bren
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: dickieeagle on October 16, 2005, 10:29:56 PM
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Hallo Dickie - was it you missing for a while or me?Bren[/quote
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     yep ! I was busy for a little while preparing for the oncoming lower temperatures ahead,plus preperation for a family wedding, my grand daughter Talia is getting spliced and all the necessary upheaval of new dresses and the obligatery Hat without which the occasion would not be the same , and Dad you can't come in "THAT" suit ? ? ?why not . it was good enough for mine ! and Bren, what were those words you used at your wedding ? (in case I trip over something ! ) Oterwise life goes on and this morning it was so heavily misty, Thick rolling clouds of it all the way to Ascot, I was driving by Braille, had a good market though  (so I enjoy being a part of the "Black economy " ) love to you all, - any time  ! -Dickie .....................
Title: The green in Downham
Post by: guest on October 17, 2005, 08:43:41 AM
Is it not the green area in Moorside Road.
Title: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 09:25:29 AM
I think the Green is the Triangle area in Verdant lane shorofold road next to the church, I think the 124 bus use to turn around there.
Title: The Green
Post by: Bren4 on October 18, 2005, 10:08:06 PM
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I think the Green is the Triangle area in Verdant lane shorofold road next to the church, I think the 124 bus use to turn around there.


Yes, that's where the 124 bus turned unless it was going on to Grove Park.  However, rightly any houses surrounding the green would have come under the auspices of Shroffold Rd.  At least, I would have thought so.  Perhaps selling under "The Green" is more attractive eh?
Bren
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: dickie eagle on October 20, 2005, 08:13:05 AM
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I think the Green is the Triangle area in Verdant lane shorofold road next to the church, I think the 124 bus use to turn around there.

Yes, that's where the 124 bus turned unless it was going on to Grove Park.  However, rightly any houses surrounding the green would have come under the auspices of Shroffold Rd.  At least, I would have thought so.  Perhaps selling under "The Green" is more attractive eh?
Bren[/ quote               If you mean the Wesleyan Church isn't that the junction of Northover and Shroffold which we used to refer to as "Wesley Green "  also I remember "Verdant" Lane as just that where we could go along the top of Perry's Farm and pick our own fruit as it were !    dickie........
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Bren4 on October 20, 2005, 11:41:15 PM
If you mean the Wesleyan Church isn't that the junction of Northover and Shroffold which we used to refer to as "Wesley Green "  also I remember "Verdant" Lane as just that where we could go along the top of Perry's Farm and pick our own fruit as it were !    dickie........[/quote][/quote]

It was St Luke's Dickie and it was Church of England.  But the place is right.  The buses used to turn into the bit of Shroffold Rd at the side of the church when they weren't going farther on.  Have you seen the picture of Perry's Farm on Downham Originals?  Fascinating.  
Bren
Title: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 08:25:36 AM
I asked my mum yestaday where the green was in downham and she said it is by the steps that takes you from downham way to ballamore road. Thats what is refered to as the "THE GREEN"
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 06:39:01 PM
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It was St Luke's Dickie and it was Church of England.  But the place is right.  The buses used to turn into the bit of Shroffold Rd at the side of the church when they weren't going farther on.  Have you seen the picture of Perry's Farm on Downham Originals?  Fascinating.  
Bren
              Flower our memories need this excercise ,but Smudge sent us a picture taken at the Grove Park end,you can see the tramway and a motorcycle plus chair,on his right is a cyclist in danger of going into the tramlines !. to the right is a low-lying building which is the church situated in a large  field on both sides of the field run two flights of steps down to Ballamore  .That is,my sister informs me," The Green".      Now Plum most churches apart from our left footed friends, whether Baptist, Methodist, Wesleyan, Reformist, Anabaptist, Lutherian etc. all come under the loose Banner of C of E   (Church of England ) I've probably missed a couple .  'bye now      dickie.......................................
Title: The green in Downham
Post by: Guest on October 21, 2005, 09:16:45 PM
It in the A-Z Greater London map book, the green is in between Ballamore Road and Downham Way.
Title: Re: The green in Downham
Post by: Bren4 on October 23, 2005, 11:11:29 PM
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It in the A-Z Greater London map book, the green is in between Ballamore Road and Downham Way.


Many thanks.  That is the way I often walked to and from Grove Park Station.  I couldn't find it in my old A-Z - but will have another look to see if I have missed it.

Pauline,  my mother worked in the kitchens at Ballamore School as a dinner lady.  Slave labour. When I came out here, I took a job in the kitchen at the migrant hostel.  Then I knew just how hard my mother had worked.  Unlike you, I loathed school dinners.  I had a poor appetite and found it difficult to eat grisly meat and boiled swedes and in such quantities. Couldn't stand lumpy custard and cold tapioca either.  
Bren
Title: The Green
Post by: adcross on October 24, 2005, 04:27:08 AM
Hello Bren4,
I lived at 306 Shroffold Road and you are correct about the piece of ground between Downham Way and Ballamore Road being named The Green, when I was last back there the Bapist Church was still on it.
You mentioned that your mother worked as a dinner lady at Ballamore, she could well have served me. My mother in law ,later that is , was also a dinner lady there for years her name was Anne Day and the Day's lived at 57 Ballamore Road.

Regards Tony Cross   adcross@ozconnect.net
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 11:48:18 AM
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.      Now Plum most churches apart from our left footed friends, whether Baptist, Methodist, Wesleyan, Reformist, Anabaptist, Lutherian etc. all come under the loose Banner of C of E   (Church of England ) I've probably missed a couple .  'bye now      dickie.......................................
            A bit more useless information but when asked your religion in the Navy I put down C of E because it was easier than  Presbitarian , or even Anglican ! ! .(it was many moons later when I added longer words like Mantlepiece and Marmalade to my vocabulary )   dickie......................
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Bren4 on October 25, 2005, 11:23:20 PM
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Hello Bren4,
I lived at 306 Shroffold Road and you are correct about the piece of ground between Downham Way and Ballamore Road being named The Green, when I was last back there the Bapist Church was still on it.
You mentioned that your mother worked as a dinner lady at Ballamore, she could well have served me. My mother in law ,later that is , was also a dinner lady there for years her name was Anne Day and the Day's lived at 57 Ballamore Road.

Regards Tony Cross   adcross@ozconnect.net


What years would you have suffered school dinners Tony?  I can't remember the years my mother worked there.  She later got a job as school cleaner at Durham Hill School - more slave labour.  I am sure we all met in passing.

Bren
Title: The Green
Post by: adcross on October 26, 2005, 06:46:43 AM
Hello Bren 4,
Regarding the years spent dining at the Ballamore Road Cafe I really had to think and came up the answer that I must have endured the delights of LCC attempts at murdering really good food between the years 1946 to 1949 approx. I actually enjoyed the spoonful of malt more.

My wife also dined at Ballamore although she went to Pendragon, they were the ones that put lumps of coal in their snowballs we from Ballamore wouldn't do anything like that and what a waste of coal in those days of rationing.

My wife went onto Durham Hill, the centre of higher learning, only because it was on a hill !. I had to walk all the way down to Downham Secondary in Goudhurst Road. By walking I saved the tram fare for sweets from Boltons up the top.

Regards Tony Cross.
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 08:24:06 PM
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Hello Bren 4,Regarding the years spent dining at the Ballamore Road Cafe I really had to think and came up the answer that I must have endured the delights of LCC attempts at murdering really good food between the years 1946 to 1949 approx. I actually enjoyed the spoonful of malt more.My wife also dined at Ballamore although she went to Pendragon,            Regards Tony Cross.
 {/quote}                               Bren, what or who is "Bren4 "??? and school dinners ? us sissies from the "Dogs Home " always went home, as no doubt you did Flower it wasn't until I entered  the hallowed halls of the North London (Holloway) that we dined in a Refractory which ,being a "Scholarship"  meant free dining which was an improvement on Durham hill's free milk and malt and lots better than a jam sandwich too            dickie......................
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Title: Re: The green in Downham
Post by: Pauline on November 07, 2005, 07:24:45 AM
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It in the A-Z Greater London map book, the green is in between Ballamore Road and Downham Way.


Many thanks.  That is the way I often walked to and from Grove Park Station.  I couldn't find it in my old A-Z - but will have another look to see if I have missed it.

Pauline,  my mother worked in the kitchens at Ballamore School as a dinner lady.  Slave labour. When I came out here, I took a job in the kitchen at the migrant hostel.  Then I knew just how hard my mother had worked.  Unlike you, I loathed school dinners.  I had a poor appetite and found it difficult to eat grisly meat and boiled swedes and in such quantities. Couldn't stand lumpy custard and cold tapioca either.  
Bren


Isn't that where there was a Hall of some kind, I remember I used to go to Girls Brigade there.  I don't ever recall it being called The Green though.   I can't imagine why estate agents would try to 'pretty up' that area by calling it the green.  I always remember the grass was about 3 feet high!!!!
Brenda - I was sorry to see the demise of school dinners, especially as my children would never eat properly, and now my grandchildren seem to bring most of their packed lunches home!
Title: The Green
Post by: adcross@ozconnect.net on November 08, 2005, 10:56:15 PM
Hello Pauline,
I note that you mentioned being in the Girls Brigade at the Baptist Church at The Green. My brother in law's girlfriend at the time , now his wife , Irene Jensen took Girls Brigade and Ted Day was the Scout Master there you may remember them, they were devouted Baptists  but they later saw a different light and stopped going to church altogether !.

I know what you mean about the long grass the place was always a mess, my best memories of it was during winter and using a folded up wooden garden chair as a bobsleigh to do the Downhan version of the downhill run, trouble is the iron railings made you pull up pretty quickly.  

Another good trick was to put a really thick book, one of the annuals usually, on top of a skate and start at the top of Dagonet Gardens and go through Shroffold Road intersection at high speed. I cannot believe that nobody ever collided with a car, but I don't think that there were too many cars on Downham in those days.

Regards Tony Cross.
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2005, 01:59:17 AM
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Quote from: adcross
Hello Bren 4,Regarding the years spent dining at the Ballamore Road Cafe I really had to think and came up the answer that I must have endured the delights of LCC attempts at murdering really good food between the years 1946 to 1949 approx. I actually enjoyed the spoonful of malt more.My wife also dined at Ballamore although she went to Pendragon,            Regards Tony Cross.
 {/quote}                               Bren, what or who is "Bren4 "??? and school dinners ? us sissies from the "Dogs Home " always went home, as no doubt you did Flower it wasn't until I entered  the hallowed halls of the North London (Holloway) that we dined in a Refractory which ,being a "Scholarship"  meant free dining which was an improvement on Durham hill's free milk and malt and lots better than a jam sandwich too            dickie......................
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Dickie

Holloway - is that the absolutely beautiful building that originated as a ladies college, and had the look of Hampton Court about it?
I once belonged to the Kent Parent Teachers Association, and one of our AGMs was held there over the Easter Holidays.  We were allocated a beautiful room with a turret window.  And ate in the hall with the paintings. Such a lovely building, pity no-one builds like that any more.
Title: The Green
Post by: sharon on March 24, 2006, 12:24:07 PM
Hi

I can confirm for the record that 'The Green' is where Downham Family Church now stands between Downham Way and Ballamore Road.  It was the Baptist Church in years gone by.  Very friendly - Sunday morning service now at 10.30am.
Title: The Green
Post by: Bel on March 24, 2006, 02:30:25 PM
Does the name Law, Burden or Rafferty ring a bell with anybody.  Belx
Title: Law
Post by: sharon on March 24, 2006, 02:32:53 PM
I have a friend whose maiden name was Law who was originally from Reigate Road
Title: The Green
Post by: Bel on March 25, 2006, 12:02:38 PM
These Laws lived in Shroffold I believe.  8 sisters and one brother.Belx
Title: law
Post by: Dickie eagle on March 25, 2006, 08:58:29 PM
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Does the name Law, Burden or Rafferty ring a bell with anybody.  Belx
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One family Law in 17, Tristram, but George would be in his middle eighties by now ! strangely I got mixed up with one of you other families and confused Burden with the Burders Basil and sister Joan who was drop-dead Gorgeous ,hows Northumberland Avenue these days Bel, is Sis being good ?     dickie.................X
Title: The Green
Post by: Bel on March 25, 2006, 09:55:05 PM
Nothumberland Heath is looking very green at the moment ||Dickie, and I am having my work cut out keeping big sis under control (she just wont do as she is told) Belx
Title: Re: The Green
Post by: Brenda on March 26, 2006, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: adcross
Hello Bren 4,
Regarding the years spent dining at the Ballamore Road Cafe I really had to think and came up the answer that I must have endured the delights of LCC attempts at murdering really good food between the years 1946 to 1949 approx. I actually enjoyed the spoonful of malt more.

My wife also dined at Ballamore although she went to Pendragon, they were the ones that put lumps of coal in their snowballs we from Ballamore wouldn't do anything like that and what a waste of coal in those days of rationing.

My wife went onto Durham Hill, the centre of higher learning, only because it was on a hill !. I had to walk all the way down to Downham Secondary in Goudhurst Road. By walking I saved the tram fare for sweets from Boltons up the top.

I seem to have missed a few thingies on the forum.  
It sounds as if we might have been heaving over school dinners together in 1948 - that's the year I started school at Pendragon.  Who were your wife's teachers at that school?  

Oh, those lumps of coal in snowballs!  I copped a good one round the ear once and - being a peculiar sort of child - refused to cry and give the horrid boy who threw it the satisfaction of seeing just how much it hurt.  And boy, did it hurt!

I lived opposite Durham Hill School.  I hope your wife wasn't one of those girls who used to pull my Churchdown beret off!

Bren

Regards Tony Cross.
Title: The Green
Post by: Pauline on March 27, 2006, 06:55:57 AM
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Does the name Law, Burden or Rafferty ring a bell with anybody.  Belx


I went to school with a Joan Law.
Title: The Green
Post by: Bel on March 27, 2006, 12:58:35 PM
Yes... Joan was the baby of the family.  Her sister Elsie used to live next door to me in Catford.  Joan still lives with her children in the same house that her parents lived in (she bought it off the Council) in Downham ~ unfortunately her lovely husband died  Belx