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David Line

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« on: March 25, 2006, 11:37:32 AM »
Putting together my family history there is one event for which I would be grateful for more information. My sister, now deceased, was at Lancelot Rd School when, coming home one afternoon to 63 Gareth Grove via (I think) Ivorydown Road in (again not sure) 1942 was subjected to a machine gun attack from an ME109. The family story is that this particular aircraft had shot-up a school in Catford after escorting a bomber raid and killed a number of youngsters. Presumably, after a Happy Hun day and on his way home for schnapps and sauerkraut, the pilot decided to take a few more pot shots at his enemy, none aged more than about 10. My sister dived for cover under a hedge and survived with no more than a few scratches and bruises. The question is, were there any casualties from this attack?

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2006, 08:47:14 PM »
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Putting together my family history there is one event for which I would be grateful for more information. My sister, now deceased, was at Lancelot Rd School when, coming home one afternoon to 63 Gareth Grove via (I think) Ivorydown Road in (again not sure) 1942 was subjected to a machine gun attack from an ME109. The family story is that this particular aircraft had shot-up a school in Catford after escorting a bomber raid and killed a number of youngsters. Presumably, after a Happy Hun day and on his way home for schnapps and sauerkraut, the pilot decided to take a few more pot shots at his enemy, none aged more than about 10. My sister dived for cover under a hedge and survived with no more than a few scratches and bruises. The question is, were there any casualties from this attack?

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Hi David I cant remember hearing of any attack like the one you mention but I do know that 3 messerschmitt fighter bombers (fighters with a couple of bombs under the mainplane ) attacked the school in Sandhurst Rd., Catford killing some of the children. It was called an atrocity BUT part of the school was a National Fire Service Depot and Fire Tenders were in part of the playground which made it a legitimate target, this happened in 1944. as for the Myth that fighters from Biggin Hill intercepted 7 out of the 10 on the way back is fanciful wishful thinking by the time they were airbourne an ME109 would be over the coast on the way back . Some stories identify the German planes as FW 190.  As for "Straffing" people on the ground, no self respecting Pilot or Air Gunner would waste his limited fire power which could be needed for self protection on the way home . Perhaps a detailed account could be obtained fro the Imperial War Museums accounts of the Bombings                    dickie....................
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2006, 09:50:04 PM »
I can remember  hearing about a lone plane coming down really low and machine gunning at people ( my mother and father were in the garden at the time and could see the pilot clearly so they said and dived for cover). Later we heard that the plane had been shot down.  I always thought it was about the time Sandhurst School was bombed, because as I remember it was on a Wednesday and I was staying to school dinners at Rangefield Road School and my father rushed round there when he heard a school had been bombed. Belx

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2006, 10:12:27 PM »
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I can remember  hearing about a lone plane coming down really low and machine gunning at people ( my mother and father were in the garden at the time and could see the pilot clearly so they said and dived for cover). Later we heard that the plane had been shot down.  I always thought it was about the time Sandhurst School was bombed, because as I remember it was on a Wednesday and I was staying to school dinners at Rangefield Road School and my father rushed round there when he heard a school had been bombed. Belx


Perhaps Bel, that was the same plane my mother used to tell us about.  She was cleaning the windows in the top floor Crutchley Rd flat when a plane came over so low she says she could see the pilot's face.  She said he machine-gunned  children in the school playground.  I don't know if that was Torridon Rd School or not.  I have not been able to find anything out about the incident.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2006, 06:52:33 AM »
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I can remember  hearing about a lone plane coming down really low and machine gunning at people ( my mother and father were in the garden at the time and could see the pilot clearly so they said and dived for cover). Later we heard that the plane had been shot down.  I always thought it was about the time Sandhurst School was bombed, because as I remember it was on a Wednesday and I was staying to school dinners at Rangefield Road School and my father rushed round there when he heard a school had been bombed. Belx


Perhaps Bel, that was the same plane my mother used to tell us about.  She was cleaning the windows in the top floor Crutchley Rd flat when a plane came over so low she says she could see the pilot's face.  She said he machine-gunned  children in the school playground.  I don't know if that was Torridon Rd School or not.  I have not been able to find anything out about the incident.
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I heard about the Torridon Road School, we used to pass it on the bus on my way to my Grans house (a 124 bus I think) and Dad would always recount the story - before my time.  I remember the houses on Ivorydown at the bottom of Geraint Road were bombed, and our house at 16 Geraint was so badly damaged we had to move out until it was repaired, we moved to Moorside Road. I was about 6 weeks old at the time.
Born 1944 in Geraint Road.  Launcelot and Churchdown Schools.  Moved to Western Australia in 1988.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2006, 01:37:05 AM »
I went to the centenary celebrations for Torridon School Last week and no mention was made of any war time horrors relatingto the school.

I know that Sandhurst school did get bombed it was during the lunch hour so apparently there was less loss of life than there could have been. I was always under the impression that the Pilot was aiming for the goods yards at Hither Green and was either to early or too late in his timing.
THere is a big Memorial at Hither green Cemetary in rememberance of the teachers and children that died there.

My father remembers the bomber coming in low he also says her saw the pilots face.

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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2006, 11:30:39 PM »
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I went to the centenary celebrations for Torridon School Last week and no mention was made of any war time horrors relatingto the school.

I know that Sandhurst school did get bombed it was during the lunch hour so apparently there was less loss of life than there could have been. I was always under the impression that the Pilot was aiming for the goods yards at Hither Green and was either to early or too late in his timing.
THere is a big Memorial at Hither green Cemetary in rememberance of the teachers and children that died there.

My father remembers the bomber coming in low he also says her saw the pilots face.


It sounds as if we all have some common knowledge here and that the anecdotes are certainly based on fact even if we can't authenticate them.  My mother said the children were in the playground because it was lunch-time so that tallies with what you say Lindylou.  I wonder where we could find out more.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 02:19:44 PM »
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I went to the centenary celebrations for Torridon School Last week and no mention was made of any war time horrors relatingto the school.

I know that Sandhurst school did get bombed it was during the lunch hour so apparently there was less loss of life than there could have been. I was always under the impression that the Pilot was aiming for the goods yards at Hither Green and was either to early or too late in his timing.
THere is a big Memorial at Hither green Cemetary in rememberance of the teachers and children that died there.

My father remembers the bomber coming in low he also says her saw the pilots face.


It sounds as if we all have some common knowledge here and that the anecdotes are certainly based on fact even if we can't authenticate them.  My mother said the children were in the playground because it was lunch-time so that tallies with what you say Lindylou.  I wonder where we could find out more.
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At 12.30 pm, on Wednesday 20th January 1943, Sandhurst School was bombed. According to eye witnesses the pilot waved to the children in the playground as he flew at rooftop height over the school.
Half the building collapsed into aheap of rubble killing 38 children and six teachers. More than 60 children and staff were injured. For two days people picked through the rubble digging out the casualties.

It was definatly 1943 though not 1942 so dont know if that ties in with the original posters question.