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Title: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on July 29, 2003, 11:56:42 AM
I'm christening the new forum with my request from the old - finding the old Durham Hill playmates. I'd love to know what happened to Carol Orme, Betty Ingram, Jean Spooner, Mary Edwards, Susan Hill, Carol Phillips, Janet Hayes.  And I often wonder what happened to the McKay (not sure if that is the correct spelling) twin boys who lived on the other side of Durham Hill in a close near St Barnabas.
Brenda
Title: Old playmates
Post by: Dickie eagle on July 30, 2003, 12:16:40 AM
:shock:  Wonder how Keith is. he's been quiet for a few days. maybe it was the shock of losind this site temporarily ?. Hope you are still fighting fit mate. I would still like to hear from the old 13th  at St Barnabas. There must be some of the old Scouters around. or even someone whose education was badly mauled as a pupil in the "Dogs Home" (Durham Hill) ! No,not you Brenda .  Ah well. Bye from a"Guest" though I'd prefer Dickie Eagle.............
Title: Old playmates
Post by: Keith on July 31, 2003, 02:29:44 PM
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Hi Dickie,
I'M okay mate, medication seems to be  working, but my ISP couldn't send out my emails, I could receive  and check websites but not receive emails but that is all fixed now, will try and get back on track now, that was a good site Beryl sent, www. ideal-homes.org.uk so much informayion in it and old pictures.
By the way Mike great new web site for the forum, congratulations to Beryl for winning the prize.
Regards Keith ( K9 )
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Dickie Eagle on August 13, 2003, 01:20:16 AM
Quote from: Brenda
I'm christening the new forum with my request from the old - finding the old Durham Hill playmates.  Hope you find them  Bren, Me ! Isn't there anyone left who got their Cottage loaf or a 3d, packet of " Day by Day" or Petit Beurre Biscquits from "Grooms" Bakers Van ? ? ? I used to enjoy being a Bakers Boy back in those balmy days on the estate and even remember most of my customers      Dickie ................
Title: Fresh bread and warm doorstep milk....
Post by: Graham on August 14, 2003, 08:58:15 PM
Dickie..... You seem to be the 'All seeing, all knowing' one amidst us.

My mother purchased bread from the Groom's Bakery and the horse drawn cart. She also had milk delivered from the Express Dairy horse and cart. Sometimes she gave me halve an apple to feed the horses. I think it was to help the garden!

I know where my Grandfather got our garden manure from but do you know where the bakery and the bottling plant was located?

When I was a young man at school I delivered meat on Saturday mornings on a bicycle with a wicker basket over the small front wheel. In the winter months the bike became top heavy with meat and I would often fall off turning corners. I worked for the butcher at the South Suburban Co-Op in Brownhill Road, Catford.
Title: People I went to school with
Post by: Frank (hutchsky) on September 02, 2003, 03:23:59 PM
Brenda I went to school with Jean Spooner lived up the road from me but once left school in 57 I lost contact with most of my school mates apart from John Nunn who I roded motor cycles with and recontacted on Friends Reunited on the Durham Hill School Site  some might know my younger sisters Carol and Jenny Hutchison me being Frank [Francis] also I was in 13th St Barnabas scouts remember going to a big camp near Down in Kent one Easter and got very wet and the girl guides were not friendly we had to stay in our own camp. also remember the twins.
Title: Re: People I went to school with
Post by: dickie eagle on September 03, 2003, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: hutchsky
Brenda I went to school with Jean Spooner lived up the road from me but once I was in 13th St Barnabas scouts remember going to a big camp near Down in Kent one Easter and got very wet and the girl guides were not friendly we had to stay in our own camp.
The 13th, St Barnabas was an integral part of my pre-teens, I made many friends and did the Downe camps with a Trek Cart and Summer camps in Eype, Dorset a couple of times and one in Fittleworth Sussex The first Scoutmaster was Dr.Stirling who went on Missionary work in S.Africa, then we had The Reverend Fred Sayers who was the incumbent at St. Barnabas and we had a field day at his wedding to Lucy (Lady Motte) at Much Hadham in  1937 then the war with Frank Measures, who was succeeded by an old Rover named Fred Layton who you probably knew. I hope you enjoyed scouting as much as I did. All the best .   Dickie.....................
Title: Grooms baker
Post by: John Nunn on September 20, 2003, 09:49:19 PM
Oh yes I remember Grooms baker,he had a horse and van,our baker was called Jock.Grooms stables were on the end of Burnt Ash shops where the fair people used to set up the bumper cars and things.I also remember the salt and vinegar man where you could buy blocks of salt and top up your vinegar bottle from the barrel.I lived in Keedonwood rd ,number218,near Burnt Ash school,and as a boy would follow the marching bands around the streets on Sunday mornings.The srimp and winkle man came round on Sunday mornings and if you were feeling rich you could have half a pint of prawns for tea.I spent many evenings on the step outside the tavern with a bag of crisp and arrowroot biscuit ,safe to do so in those days.I now live in Cornwall,St Austell,and I have a very good memory of Downham even Mr Skinner the dentist someone mentioned.I think Grooms bakers was slowly pushed out when Hemmings started coming round.He used to push a wicker basket type barrow for a time.
Title: Memories
Post by: Bel on September 21, 2003, 09:46:56 AM
Oh yes, the salt and vinegar man.  I used to have to grate the salt and put it in a large earthenware jar.  Do you remember the rag and bone man, who for a bag of rags gave you a plate, or something similar.  We collected most of our china this way. We had our bread delivered by Fysons :o how handsome the delivery boy was. Also Steve the accumulator man which we had to have to make the wireless go (no electricity in those days(it always used to run out when we were listening to" the man in Black" or "In Town Tonight")  . The summers seemed very hot in those days, but the winters very cold, 'chilblains' were the bain of my life then. Best wishes Bel
Title: Re: Memories
Post by: Brenda on September 22, 2003, 12:03:42 AM
Quote from: Bel
 Do you remember the rag and bone man, who for a bag of rags gave you a plate, or something similar.  We collected most of our china this way.
Rags 'n' b..o...o...o...nes, rags 'n' b...o...o...o...nes"  Oh yes, I remember that call well.  Trouble is I used to feel desperately sorry for the old nag pulling the heavy cart along.  My mother once gave me a large bundle of rags to take out and I came back with a wooden spoon instead of something much more worthwhile.  She was furious with me.  Mind you, the rags must have been really that because Mum recycled just about everything (like most of our mothers I think).  If those rags were too bad to even make rugs, they must have been pretty awful.
Brenda
Title: Re: Memories
Post by: Dickie on September 22, 2003, 12:28:56 AM
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Bel
 Do you remember the rag and bone man, who for a bag of rags gave you a plate, or something similar.  We collected most of our china this way.
Rags 'n' b..o...o...o...nes, rags 'n' b...o...o...o...nes"  Oh yes, I remember that call well.  
Brenda
oh Blimey Bren, "Cries of old Downham" ? but yes,even the old chap who bawled out "JaHAMjar 'apenny" had all us entrapreneurs diving into our neighbours dustbins.  The main failure of the delivery vans, Groom's,United Dairies, and Express Dairies was the wartime rationing and loss of staff into the Armed Services which went right through Hostilities, after the war an attempt was made to re-introduce door to door sales but without much success as a different type of shopping was evolving,and it became more economical to "Shop" in the Shops. Strangely this took a long time to reach Cornwall where the old Family store was still thriving , and the high prices with it. We used to ride from Padstow to Plymouth to get the weekly Groceries Thank heavens the Supermarket now holds sway.    Bye   Dickie E................
Title: Re: Grooms baker
Post by: Dickie E. on September 22, 2003, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: John Nunn
Oh yes I remember Grooms baker,he had a horse and van,our baker was called Jock.Grooms stables were on the end of Burnt Ash shops I lived in Keedonwood rd ,number 218, near Burnt Ash school,and as a boy would follow the marching bands around the streets on Sunday mornings.I spent many evenings on the step outside the tavern with a bag of crisp and arrowroot biscuit ,safe to do so in those days.I now live in Cornwall,St Austell (Quote). Can you remember the burnt Ash pupils and the famous ones like David Bowie ? Have a go at the "Bromley" Web,and " Bromley Portals *mind you I think our worlds are a decade or so apart    Dickie E.............
Title: Old playmates
Post by: smiffy on September 26, 2003, 04:23:14 AM
:? Ok so this is a bit later than you guys 1950's I was just starting Secondary school in 56, still young, any case talking about Downham cries what about "King Edwards" guy selling spuds from a cart going around the street, then there was one of the ice cream guys may have been Antonioes " Lovely icee creamy lovely" in an italian accent. use to love a "99". Smiffy
Title: Friends
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2003, 09:14:44 PM
Just wondered where everybody is lately (with the exception of Dickie and Brenda). Have you all hibernated?  or am I missing something?
Title: Old Playmates
Post by: smiffy on October 20, 2003, 11:45:37 PM
:lol: Old playmates reminds me of Arthur Askey"allo Playmates". Then when the show was over he would hold his nose & sink below the camera lens.  Not as good as Tommy Cooper of course, just like that or was it like that,   Two fish in a tank one says to the other I'll drive you man the guns, Ha Ha just like that. :roll:
Title: Oh no
Post by: smiffy on October 20, 2003, 11:52:21 PM
:? Did you 'ear about the sandwich that walked into a bar asked for a drink &  the barman said sorry we don't  serve food here, or was it like that. :x
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Dickie eagle on November 19, 2003, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: Brenda
I'm christening the new forum with my request from the old - finding the old Durham Hill playmates. I'd love to know what happened to Carol Orme, Betty Ingram, Jean Spooner, Mary Edwards, Susan Hill, Carol Phillips, Janet Hayes.  
Brenda
Having just seen the coverage and participated in the remebrance Sunday parades and services, it was time for a quiet reflection on old freinds, especially those who didn't make it !  Those from Downham alone make quite an impressive but sad list Bert Jordan (RAF), Arthur Adams (RAF), Ivor Plum (RAF), Kate Taylor (RAFR),Charlie Peek (Army), Ray Francis (RAF), plus a few I can't name but remember faces. even St. Barnabas Scouts lost about seven former members.If any reader has info. relating to the pre-war 13th. troop I'd be happy to swap notes.meanwhile life goes on for us lucky ones (touch wood) . We even had a demise during the remembrance service at the garrison church as one veteran collapsed (And Died) the Service had to be closed while the unfotunate family were consoled. He was in his 80's so in my book he did well , bye now Dickie..................          (Dismal Desmond ! )[/quote]
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Dickie eagle on March 03, 2004, 09:42:06 AM
! Isn't there anyone left who got their Cottage loaf or a 3d, packet of " Day by Day" or Petit Beurre Biscquits from "Grooms" Bakers Van ? ? ? I used to enjoy being a Bakers Boy back in those balmy days on the estate and even remember most of my customers      Dickie .....
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Back again, I found an old Groom's customer living in the same house Dolly Stevens in 16 Churchdown,well she was the daughter and one of "Terry's Juveniles" (Along with one Charles Springall,better known as Charlie Drake !). Can anyone check whether the Scouts or St. Barnabas are doing anything for their 75th. anniversary this month  (Please?) that's all,., Carry on!        Dickie.............
Title: Re: Fresh bread and warm doorstep milk....
Post by: Dickie Eagle on May 20, 2004, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: Graham
My mother purchased bread from the Groom's Bakery and the horse drawn cart. She also had milk delivered from the Express Dairy horse and cart. I know where my Grandfather got our garden manure from but do you know where the bakery and the bottling plant was located.
                Sorry it took so long replying Graham, but I did work in the mornings before school with the Express Dairies for the Princely sum of  2/6d  and Grooms Bakers round on Saturdays from about  6 a.m until usually 8 p.m. for 2/- the original Bakery was in Erith and so was their milk "bottling" (actually square waxed cardboard containers with a metal strip closure ) Tips incidently were non existent  because Percy the Baker used to pocket the lot which made it embarrassing when old ladies at Christmas used to ask if I got my Christmas Box,usually 6d.
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and thought me ill mannered because I forgot to thank them  . ce la vie     Dickie..............
Title: Old playmates
Post by: adcross on March 28, 2005, 01:48:01 AM
I have just joined this web site and refer to a message posted by Brenda making enquiries about a Carol Phillips. If this is the Carol Phillips that lived near the Durham Hill School she was also a friend of my wife
Frances Day from Ballamore Road who has a twin Margaret who lives at Chinbrook and went to the school.Other friends were Margaret Cannon and Shirley Coward. There was also a boy names " three penny bit " because he swallowed a coin at some stage.

Frances lost all contact with Carol when we got married in 1960 and migrated to New Zealand in 1961 then to Oz in 1999.

Frances went to Durham Hill from approx 1948-52

Ring any bells ?

Regards Tony Cross.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: adcross@ozconnect.net on April 10, 2005, 02:35:03 AM
Quote from: Brenda
I'm christening the new forum with my request from the old - finding the old Durham Hill playmates. I'd love to know what happened to Carol Orme, Betty Ingram, Jean Spooner, Mary Edwards, Susan Hill, Carol Phillips, Janet Hayes.  And I often wonder what happened to the McKay (not sure if that is the correct spelling) twin boys who lived on the other side of Durham Hill in a close near St Barnabas.
Brenda



Hello Brenda,
I have just joined the web site and read your message regarding a Carol Phillips. My wife, Frances Cross nee Day knew a Carol Phillips who lived near the Durham Hill School but lost touch with her when we married in 1960 and quickly migrated to New Zealand and then to the Sunshine Coast of Queensland in 1999.
Frances had a twin, Margaret and they lived in Ballamore Road, other friends were Margaret Cannon and Shirley Coward amongst others.

Hope to hear from you sometime, Regards Tony Cross.
Title: Re: Old playmates (and new ones ?
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2005, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: adcross
I have just joined this web site and refer to a message posted by Brenda making enquiries about a Carol Phillips. If this is the Carol Phillips that lived near the Durham Hill School she was also a friend of my wife Frances lost all contact with Carol when we got married in 1960 and migrated to New Zealand in 1961 then to Oz in 1999.
Frances went to Durham Hill from approx 1948-52 Ring any bells ?
Regards Tony Cross.
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                                   You didn't say where in NZ Tony, I found it a wonderful place, especially Wellington,we always berthed alongside the jetty with the bar and dance-hall with a whacking great sign "Hare Mai"on it ( my spelling may be off ) and we could go up to the radio station on Mount Victoria' it would be nice to pay a return visit  cos I haven't been back since 1970 on the RFA "Resource"          dickie....................
Title: Re: Old playmates (and new ones ?
Post by: adcross@ozconnect.net on May 29, 2005, 01:01:22 AM
Quote from: Anonymous
Quote from: adcross
I have just joined this web site and refer to a message posted by Brenda making enquiries about a Carol Phillips. If this is the Carol Phillips that lived near the Durham Hill School she was also a friend of my wife Frances lost all contact with Carol when we got married in 1960 and migrated to New Zealand in 1961 then to Oz in 1999.
Frances went to Durham Hill from approx 1948-52 Ring any bells ?
Regards Tony Cross.
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                                   You didn't say where in NZ Tony, I found it a wonderful place, especially Wellington,we always berthed alongside the jetty with the bar and dance-hall with a whacking great sign "Hare Mai"on it ( my spelling may be off ) and we could go up to the radio station on Mount Victoria' it would be nice to pay a return visit  cos I haven't been back since 1970 on the RFA "Resource"          dickie....................

Hello Dickie, We lived on the East Coast in Hawkes Bay in New Zealand for 38 years after migrating from Downham in 1961. We moved to the Sunshine Coast of Queensland in 1999 and should have made the move years ago as it is a very nice place to live.
I was hoping to get a reply from Brenda as she mentioned a Carol Phillips, Carol was a friend of my wife.s until we left for NZ and my wife would like to know if Brenda was talking about the same Carol Phillips.
Regards Tony Cross.
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Title: The Muffin Man
Post by: maureen on March 14, 2006, 01:29:28 PM
I remember the old muffin man, he used to come round on a Sunday when we lived in Shroffold, I remember Mum sending me out there with a huge bowl to get faggots and peas pudding. I remember Peter Pans a little clothes shop in Downham Way where you could pay off weekly for your clothes.

Going a little further afield does anybody remember "Haircuts" in Catford, he had an open type of pet shop where you could buy your mice, guinea pigs, rabbits etc. I don't know why he had this name but I don't think he had a very good reputation with animals.  I once looked after about a dozen mice for school and our cat had them all and I had to replace them and I remember letting one loose on the top of 36b bus and that caused a bit of a stir!!
Title: Re: The Muffin Man
Post by: Pauline on March 20, 2006, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: maureen
I remember the old muffin man, he used to come round on a Sunday when we lived in Shroffold, I remember Mum sending me out there with a huge bowl to get faggots and peas pudding. I remember Peter Pans a little clothes shop in Downham Way where you could pay off weekly for your clothes.

Going a little further afield does anybody remember "Haircuts" in Catford, he had an open type of pet shop where you could buy your mice, guinea pigs, rabbits etc. I don't know why he had this name but I don't think he had a very good reputation with animals.  I once looked after about a dozen mice for school and our cat had them all and I had to replace them and I remember letting one loose on the top of 36b bus and that caused a bit of a stir!!


I remember 'haircuts' my Dad used to buy his chicks there. (No dickie not the ones you want)
Title: Old playmates
Post by: Bel on March 20, 2006, 10:26:45 AM
:lol: I used to go to Haircuts every week, because they used to let you cuddle the kittens.  My Dad bought me one for 10 shillings ( a lot in them days) but it dies of the cat flue within a month. Also a blue bevan rabbit, which became vicious and ended up in the stew pot.  (stayed to school dinners all that week as Queenie was my pet) |Belx
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Robert on August 16, 2009, 09:38:55 PM
This is one for the real "Old Timers" I'm Bob Appleby started at Pendragon school during the war. And left Durham Hill school in 1951 and lived in Whitefoot Terrace. After national service moved abroad for many years and now live in central London. Paid a visit to my old Downham a few weeks ago. So much has changed but a lot was the same, I took a walk thru woodland walk but the Splendid cinema and my old school have lone gone along with the Northover pub. I recall old mates, Dave Mason who lived in Jennifer Rd and Frank Bailey who lived all his life in Oakridge Rd and worked on the railway we kept in touch for years but lost touch about 10 years ago. Then the was Tug Wilson and Arthur Rose and his girlfriend Pat Richardson. Pat & Boy Maggs,I recall the teachers Mr Gilbert (Great Teacher) Mr Russell, Mr Holditch and Mr Black (Head Master). After driving around the estate for a couple of hours I could'nt see for the tears in my eyes. So many voices, faces and memories from so long ago. I told my driver to take me back to town. But I'll be back because Downham stays in your heart no matter where you go.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on August 16, 2009, 11:57:17 PM
Hallo Bob,

Lovely to read your reminiscences.  Must admit, I got a lump in my throat because I know should I ever return to Downham for a look-around (left England in 1974 and have never returned) I, too, would have tears in my eyes.  I loved the Woodland Walk.
And I wish I had a dollar for every time I walked along Whitefoot Terrace.  My dearest friend lived in Whitefoot Lane and I used to go to her house via the back gate. 
Yes, Durham Hill School went some years ago now. I used to live right opposite. My mother was a cleaner there for many years. I used to go over after school and help her. 

Do you have any photos to share with us?  Do hope you'll be contributing again.

Bren
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Robert on August 17, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
Hello Bren. I did not realise my letter was on show I can't seem to find it, where did you see it.? What was the name of your friend in Whitefoot Lane.? I may have known her. You say you lived opposite Durham Hill school do you recall Len Bucket ( HE lived around there) he was the head park keeper for Durham Hill park, Woodland Walk, Fosters Park, etc.. He was always driving the park tractor around the estate going from park to park. To be honest it made me very sad to go back, but I'm glad I did. Regards Bob.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Splinter on August 17, 2009, 10:40:10 PM
Hello Robert, Nice to hear from another ex Downhamite. What year would you know Len the Park keeper as my mum worked in the Parks and her boss was called Len, but he got Parkinsons and had to retire. That would be about 1967. Best wishes John.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Robert on August 29, 2009, 08:24:10 PM
Hello John. Len was in charge of all the local Downham parks, and had a large staff he gave me a job in the 1950's as a labourer it was great out in the open air all day. He was a tough nut but a great character and he lived opposite the main gate of Durham Hill school. He had an office in Durham Hill park I got news he had died around 1978 to 80. Vandalism was unheard of in those days and he kept the parks to a very high standard. Regards Bob.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on September 03, 2009, 07:39:23 AM
It's taken me a while to catch up again.  Yes, I knew Mr Bucket for as long as I lived in Durham Hill.  He was just four houses up from us.  As a park-keeper, yes, he was pretty formidable but as a neighbour he was a very nice and friendly man and always had a greeting for me.  He married a lady from Scotland, Mrs Ingram, whose husband had been killed during the war.  She had a daughter, Betty. I've often wondered what happened to Betty. She was a clever girl and went on to university.  The Buckets then had a son, John, who was a really nice lad.

My friend in Whitefoot Lane was Andree Jackson. She had a brother (Barry) and a younger sister (Ann). Lovely, lovely family. 

Bren
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Robert on September 07, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Hello Bren. Small world yes I knew your Friends the Jacksons, Len Jackson worked in Chiltonains biscuit factory in Lee Green. I heard that when Andree got married she went to live in Sweden or Norway. I also knew the Wilson family who lived next door, Bill Wilson drove the old 124 bus out of Catford garage for many years. Going back to Len the park keeper his wife that you mention died quite young and he lived alone at Durham Hill for many years and his parks were his life. I think he ran Durham Hill, Woodland Walk, Fosters,
Shaftsbury, & Beckenham Place. Can anyone tell me the name of the estate the other side of Whitefoot Lane from Downham.? My Mother called it the New estate, others called it the Catford estate. Regards Bob.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on September 10, 2009, 01:23:13 AM
Hallo Bob,

How very nice that you remember the Jacksons.  That's right, Mr Jackson was a manager at Chiltonians.   He died comparatively young (about 74 years,).  Andree married a Norwegian.  They lived first in Norway - which Andree described as 'cold and bleak' - but soon moved to warmer Denmark where she and her husband remained.  Sadly, she died almost ten years ago.  Her husband, Jens, died a couple of years ago.  I still look at the photos of them when they were young, healthy and 'in love' and it's hard to believe they are both gone.

 Mrs Jackson is still alive, aged 92, and was living independently until she was 90. Then  failing health and being partially blind and several falls and a broken femur (the usual story) meant she had to go into care and is now very frail but living in a nursing home in Bromley.  We kept in touch until a couple of Christmases ago when I spoke to her on the phone but it was the last time she recognised who I was.  Very sad.  I am still in touch with Andree's younger sister, Ann, and Andree's eldest daughter.

I remember the Wilsons.  I once threw a ball in Andree's back garden and it crashed through Mr Wilson's greenhouse.  Ooops.  Being a good little girl, I knocked and told him about it. He wasn't too cross!  Mrs Wilson died fairly young - breast cancer, same as Andree.

Mrs Bucket also died of cancer. I remember the day Mr Bucket came home from the hospital and spoke to my mother, saying she didn't have much of a chance.  I'd love to know what happened to Betty and John. They were really nice.

Did you know Janice Burgess a few houses down (up near the pub) from the Jacksons?

So Bob, should I know you by any chance?

Bren

Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: christine on September 11, 2009, 07:29:16 PM
Gosh Bren - I remember Andree Jackson from school - had no idea that she had died - that really threw me cos all my memories, like yours, are of our class at Churchdown up until the age of 15 and thats where the faces have stayed. Also remember Janice Burgess - she and I were friends at school and remember that she lived in Whitefoot Lane and had a birthday party one time which I thought was very grand and to which I was invited! Thought she was very posh - well she was to me anyway!!!
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Splinter on September 12, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
Robert, I knew the estate as Waters Road but now its called North Downham.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on September 13, 2009, 10:41:55 PM
Gosh Bren - I remember Andree Jackson from school - had no idea that she had died - that really threw me

I'm so sorry Chris that you got such a shock.  I am very surprised I did not tell you when we became reacquainted via Friends.   I will tell you more when I answer your email very shortly.

I did have brief contact with Valerie Langford through Friends who told me she is still in touch with Janice Burgess. I sent Janice a message via Valerie but never had any response and there has been no more contact with Valerie.

Bren


Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Robert on September 17, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
Hello Bren & Splinter. Sorry if I make mistakes I'm not very good with computers. Very sad to hear about Andree, I remember her as a fair haired school girl playing in the garden. No I never knew the Burgess. I don't think our paths have crossed Bren, I only knew these people thru my pal Terry from Durham Hill school he lived about 6 doors up from the Wilsons. I recall he got tired of motorbikes and bought a huge American car the sort you see in old ganster movies. Bill Wilson was always working on it for him. We felt like kings of the road going round the estate in that. One day some very heavy looking guys called on Terry to take it back .He'd forgotton to keep up the payments. Re Park Keeper Len I recall he told me he had a son only a teenager at the time who had gone to live at Nunhead near Peckham. Thanks for the info about "North Downham" Splinter. You say your Mum worked on the parks. Back then the was a large work force of Ladies, they worked mainly in charge of the kids play areas most parks had them full of swings roundabouts slides etc. Elf & Safty wouldn't allow it today too dangerous.!! Nice times nice people sad but nice memories. Bob
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Brenda on September 17, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Yes, you remember Andree correctly.  If you saw Andree playing in her garden, it is quite possibly you have seen me even if you didn't know me. I say this because Andree and I spent most of our childhood together.  If she wasn't coming home from school for tea with me, then I was going home with her for tea at her place. In fact, it got so that the only day we didn't share was Wednesday and that was because she had her piano lessons!

There was a big shed and a little shed in the Jackson's back garden. The Little Shed (yes, the capitals are deliberate) was what today's children might call a cubby house. It had a little table and chairs etc.  We used to play in their often and if you ever heard shrieks of laughter, it would have been us!

Good to talk to someone who remembers Andree and her family.

Bren
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Pauline on September 18, 2009, 03:37:23 AM
Yes, you remember Andree correctly.  If you saw Andree playing in her garden, it is quite possibly you have seen me even if you didn't know me. I say this because Andree and I spent most of our childhood together.  If she wasn't coming home from school for tea with me, then I was going home with her for tea at her place. In fact, it got so that the only day we didn't share was Wednesday and that was because she had her piano lessons!

There was a big shed and a little shed in the Jackson's back garden. The Little Shed (yes, the capitals are deliberate) was what today's children might call a cubby house. It had a little table and chairs etc.  We used to play in their often and if you ever heard shrieks of laughter, it would have been us!

Good to talk to someone who remembers Andree and her family.

Bren

This was exactly the same as me and my friend Eileen Hughes who lived in Gareth Grove.  Her garden almost backed onto mine, we had gates in the fences where we could walk though to each others garden.  We also had sheds, one was supposed to be for my outside toys, and the other was the old chicken run.  I recall the fun we had with left over wallpaper decorating them! And the mess we go into painting the outsides with a horrible shade of green paint.  Oh dear, how sad the kids of today are stuck in front of their gameboys and the such.
Title: Re: Old playmates
Post by: Splinter on September 19, 2009, 07:24:11 AM
Yes Robert, My Mum was a Park Warden and also helped in the Childrens play area in the following plces Durham Hill, Valeswood, Forster, Chinbrook, Elmstead Woods and the park in Old Bromley Road. This was after she was a school crossing lady in Northover at the top of Pendragon Road.
Title: any one know anything about a school in Pendragon Road?
Post by: novotna on February 04, 2010, 10:39:06 AM
I have been teaching at Pendragon School for some 15 years now ( live in Grove Park over 30 years)I would like  to make  a documentary film with the children as a memory of the school for them and the local community and perhaps even prevent this criminal waste  millions of pounds by the local authority lead by government to demolishing this school and build a modern plaster box probably painted in crazy colours and finished off with wooden cladding , this the latest craze to give it that garden shed look on the pretence of being ECO whilst importing the wood.  Pendragon school is brick built in keeping with the houses built around the school. It has parquet floors throughout, each classroom has been modernised with an interactive white board in every classroom and a computer for each teacher, new double glazed windows and doors, new internal doors and a catering kitchen for cooks to prepare lunch for the children on site. For the some 130 children on school role  we have 2 fully equipped science laboratories, 1 food tech. room ( cookery) even an adpted station for  wheelchair users, DT room ( woodwork), music room, fitness suite ( all those machines to do exercises on ) huge equipped gym, 2 changing rooms with showers, bathroom facility for wheelchair users,  large dinning room, library, 2 computer suites, 1 specialist computer suite, art room and a specialist recording studio and lots of large classrooms for English maths, MFL (foreign language), etc. Lots of outside space which  includes a caged football arena, basket ball court, small garden with a pond and many other features..
Thanks for any info you may have. Renee