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Title: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on March 31, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
 Well i gave you the out line of my early life on the estate, so i thought i would start a new forum for this as it will be easier. AS i stated  i went to Torridon Road school, Had to get the 124 Bus from the Northover Opposite St Lukes Church, But you don`t  understand how nice a life you have on the estate because you just live it. I went to Cub Scouts at Pendragon School and then went onto Scouts it was 22nd Lewisham South it moved to Ballamore School by then. We mainly played in the street then. Getting together on street corners where their was a small green. And going to PLAYCENTRE, which i loved.  People in the street were always friendly and would help each other out. Mum and Dad were both at work so i was mainly looked after by my Nan & Grandad. In 1965 we were watching Sir Winston Churchill Funeral on TV when Grandad Fell over broke his hip and went to Lewisham Hospital, He never came home. My first of many heartaches. I then passed my 11 plus ( i dont know how!!! ) So i went to London Nautical School in Waterloo.( Dad was in the navy during the war and knew the Headmaster) So from the age of 11 i was up and down on the train from Grove Park. The estate changed very little then. People left and new ones arrived and i could not believe that they were happy that they had a toilet indoors. I didn`t know any different . Leave it now next chapter soon as i can if you wish . BUT PLEASE IF THIS IS BORING YOU PLEASE TELL ME. I WONT BE OFFENDED. Best wishes to all JOHN.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on March 31, 2009, 10:01:36 PM
Never boring, believe me, because anyone's reminiscences bring back lots of other memories. 

I was working at Lewisham Hospital in 1965, but on the female geriatric ward at the time Churchill was dying. I do remember how sad everyone was, particularly the ward sister.  She was an elderly lady herself (or so it seemed at the time) and has probably been put out to pasture, as it were.  Sadly, the broken hip is often the beginning of the end for old people.  Unlike you, I never mourned the passing of my grandfather who was a horrible man and never uttered a word to my sister and I when we saw him.  He had also been a violent man and my mother died hating him still.

Playing in the street is something that just doesn't seem to happen these days, does it?  Although, having said that, both my daughters lived in a cul-de-sac, and the children there were always out in the street playing. Of course, on Downham, the car had not yet arrived and it was therefore much safer. 

Keep up the good work, John.

Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on March 31, 2009, 11:11:47 PM
Thank you for those kind words Brenda. I was very lucky, My grandparents brought me up. I still think of them to this day. i think it was their kindness that made me who i am. Mum and Dad were busy working so although i still loved them. Nan and Gramps were very special to me.( Nan lived to 1975 but didn`t see my 21st birthday )
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 02, 2009, 12:36:50 AM
I went and saw an old neighbour who lived next door to my mum During the war today. We have never met before and Bill (who i have recommended this site to him had some lovely memories) made me remember a few things of those yearsago. As i was growing up on the estate you remember special times i can remember that on new years night i was allowed to stay up ( Big thing in those days ) and see the new year in and at midnight the front door was opened to let the new year in. and neighbours would come in for a drink or we would go into their house. Also you could hear the ships horns blasting away from the docks. We also went to parties. Not many then so when they came they were very special. We went to some big occasions at the BAL TABERIN (not sure of the spelling) That was the hall attached to the Downham Tavern Pub. Or the REsidents Association Do. Normally held in the hall above the Green Man Pub in Bromley Road Opposite Peter Pans Pool.Peter Pans Pool eh!! Had some fun there. Not sure in other peoples time but we had motorboats on the lake and a funfair behind it. As iv`e said before because it was the norm, you didn`t realise what a privaledged time you had living on the estate. Oh well i suppose i had better get to bed, had to put this down before i forgot it. Keep well all of you. speak to you soon . Best wishes John.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 02, 2009, 01:53:28 AM
Never boring, believe me, because anyone's reminiscences bring back lots of other memories. 



Bren

I noted on one of these posts about there being a collection for flowers when someone on the street died.  One of the neighbours would be the instigator, and co-opt others to help.  I believe everyone gave something.  Then when the funeral cars arrived, anyone who was at home (and I think most of our Mums were homebodies in those days - forgive me if not) would stand in the street to pay their respects.  Doesn't happen these days.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 02, 2009, 07:09:37 AM
Yes Pauline.There was always a collection for flowers but we all new our neighbours then. But now you hardly see or speak to anyone. I think that is the biggest difference on the estate. But its like that everywhere in Britain. Is it the same in Oz?
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 02, 2009, 11:17:25 PM
Oooh, I am embarrassed to say that whenever there was a collection for a dead neighbour, my mother would send one of us to the door to say we weren't in so she didn't have to contribute.  I was always mortified and was sure the person collecting would know I was telling porkies.   I do understand, of course, that financial constraints made her the way she was (but she was probably no worse off than any others on the estate) but charity began at home, according to her, and she made sure it stayed there.  Perhaps that was why there were no flowers from the neighbours when my father died!

The near neighbours did come to their gates though, as the cortege left the house and I was very touched by that.  Whenever I see a funeral car, I always feel I ought to acknowledge it somehow. But then, of course, we're nearly all in our cars these days, so it makes it all a bit different.  What should we do?  Honk the corn, flash the lights?  Would probably be misinterpreted anyway. 

Bren
Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Frank (hutchsky) on April 03, 2009, 08:13:23 AM
We use to live at 42 Palace Road Bromley and I remember a visit to 84 Keedonwood Road, were Mum and Dad had secured a council house.  The person living their at the time who was being chucked out, repaired his motor cycles in the kitchen, I can still the chips in the walls where he had moved his bikes around. but it was better that the place we lived, the Gas lighting was a worry, but it did not seem long before we had electric, the pump up, to the bath room was a marval from the copper in the kitchen (we had Bath's in front of the fire with every one using the same water in a zinc bath (5) at the old place) we were pretty flash with a side entrance, which caused conficks with the nabours with a shared entrance. Even worse when I was 16 and the owner of a noisy motor cycle. They seem the only family in our group of houses who seemed to make trouble with all. Not sure of the reasons, but Mum & Dad decided to move to the Brangbourne Flats at the end of Downham Way, they were new, and mum had worked in Woollies for a number of years, so that might have been the reason. Dad worked for Otis Elevators at the time and was overseas most of the time, another reason maybe.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 03, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
I`ve Forgotten what chapter we are on but here goes. In 1970 the council being GLC allowed tenents to buy their houses. Dad had his name down and his name was drawn (Bill reminded me that it was a lottery who was allowed to buy. ) The first on the estate. For some reason it was bought from Kingstone upon thames council!!! (still on the deeds). So my house was the first bought. Then a year or two later the council decided to put new Bathrooms in and Central Heating and to do this they would attach a Pre fab section to the house in the Back Garden. All was going well with this conversion until one day in Northover the crane that lifted these sections over the house toppled over crashing into the roof and bedroom. I think that only the Dog was Killed but very lucky. I was just leaving school then and worked in the City and Part Time i worked in the Northover Pub. And thats another story so i will leave it there .Speak to you soon Best wishes All. John.....
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 04, 2009, 06:26:26 AM
I had never heard of the lottery business concerning buying houses on Downham.  Most interesting.

Awful accident - poor dog!

Yes Hutch, I remember well the old copper in the corner of the kitchen and the pump which got the water up to the bathroom. Well, it was supposed to but ours didn't for a while and was very hard work when it did.  Gosh, doesn't all that sound antiquated now and yet it seems only a blink ago.   And yes, bathing in the zinc tub in front of the fire is a very vivid memory.

One of my strongest memories, oddly enough, is of coming home after a family outing and walking in to the cold and dark house and that smell of a dead fire. After all, no-one would have dreamt of going out and leaving the fire lit, even with a guard around,would they?  Well, Mum wouldn't have done anyway. 

Then it would have been a cat's lick round the face with a cold, wet flannel while the kettle boiled for the stone hot water bottles, into the thick pyjamas and old cardigan used for bed, plus bed socks and then jump into an icy bed. But what a dilemma it was: should one clutch the hot water bottle to keep the top bits warm, or leave it down the bottom of the bed to keep the feet warm?  Obviously the answer would have been to have two hot water bottles, one for the top and one for the bottom, instead of which ...
Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 04, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
Do you know what kids today don`t realise. On a cold morning you scraped the ice from the inside of the window to see out, in our day.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 05, 2009, 11:13:52 AM
Do you know what kids today don`t realise. On a cold morning you scraped the ice from the inside of the window to see out, in our day.

That 's right. I often tell that to Aussies who think it chilly when the temperature drops below 20oC!  By golly, I feel cold just thinking about it.

Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Frank (hutchsky) on April 05, 2009, 12:30:23 PM
Do you know what kids today don`t realise. On a cold morning you scraped the ice from the inside of the window to see out, in our day.
I remember the water in the Loo being frozen, I think that was the 1948 winter, I still think about how cold it was! on days when its 40 deg  I then stop complaning.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 05, 2009, 10:57:55 PM
I have a feeling we folk over here in Oz have forgotten just how cold the cold can be.

It is chilly here this morning but I haven't got any heating on.  Mind, Syd and I had rugs over our legs yesterday evening. What a pair of old codgers we have become.  It's probably time to lay the fire now, I think.

Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 06, 2009, 03:35:17 AM
I have a feeling we folk over here in Oz have forgotten just how cold the cold can be.

It is chilly here this morning but I haven't got any heating on.  Mind, Syd and I had rugs over our legs yesterday evening. What a pair of old codgers we have become.  It's probably time to lay the fire now, I think.

Bren
Yes Bren, chilly in the mornings and evenings, but 30 deg here today!

You know, even my children were unaware of just how cold it got, and I think I must have sheltered them too much.  I remember watching a programme on the TV when my daughter was about 8 years old.  It showed some of the terrible conditions people in London were living in, ice on the insides of the windows etc.  Her comment was "Why don't they move?".  How naive.  But by then we had central heating in our homes.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 06, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
Yes, unless you've lived it and all that. 

Never had central heating anywhere I've lived actually.  I know my friends in England can't imagine being without it now and I suppose had we been living there still, we'd have it. I like to 'see' the heat though and don't like heat blowing out and on to me.

Oh, how fussy I am! 
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 06, 2009, 07:01:58 AM
Yes, unless you've lived it and all that. 

Never had central heating anywhere I've lived actually.  I know my friends in England can't imagine being without it now and I suppose had we been living there still, we'd have it. I like to 'see' the heat though and don't like heat blowing out and on to me.

Oh, how fussy I am! 

We had radiators and a gas fire in England.  When we came here we had no heating at all, and made do with rugs.  But when we built our house we decided we would have radiators, but the firm went out of business (wonder why?). So we now have reverse cycle, but usually only use the log fire, although we are being asked not to.  But with all those dead banksias why wouldn't you?  I do have an electric blanket for my old arthritic bones.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 06, 2009, 03:56:37 PM
Please !!!! What is a reverse cycle (are you on a bike going backwards( only kidding) ) I would love to know.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Frank (hutchsky) on April 08, 2009, 04:18:20 AM
Please !!!! What is a reverse cycle (are you on a bike going backwards( only kidding) ) I would love to know.
Its an Air-Con with Hot and cold settings, we have a lot of these in OZ, just had one fitted to our new built room and that also is a split system, the fan etc on the out side and the rest inside, they work well.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 08, 2009, 09:36:50 AM
Oh dear, forget the all important 'air conditioner' didn't I?  Hutch described it perfectly.

Love the thought of pedalling furiously backwards though.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 12, 2009, 10:36:17 AM
Hi all. Well iv`e got to the 1970`s and i think this is when the Estate really started to change. Although we bought our house looking back it might of been a bad idea to sell the houses. People stayed in the area for long periods of time, so you got to know them. By the mid 1970`s the houses were being bought and sold on a regular basis so nobody stayed for a long time. Next door No 25 has had five owners to my Knowledge over the last 20 years. The other thing is that there are not so many children about now. Perhaps the houses are to small now for a family. When my Nan first moved into Pendragon in 1935 it was 2 Adults and 4 Children, the house looks a bit small for that now. Speak to you all soon HAPPY EASTER TO ALL . John
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 13, 2009, 05:32:52 AM
I'm afraid children are horrified at the thought of actually having to share a room these days, aren't they?  It's no wonder people get into trouble with their huge mortgages: they simply aren't willing to do without the extras e.g. en suite, rumpus room and all that stuff.

Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 13, 2009, 07:07:13 AM
I`m still doing without them now !! I`d love a rumpus room (whatever it is ) could do wonders for the Love life
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Dickie eagle on April 13, 2009, 09:40:00 AM
 sorry I'm cutting in John, er, Chris I sent you a missive re. "Uncle Harry" did you recieve it,pl.contact       dickie............
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Dickie eagle on April 13, 2009, 09:44:13 AM

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sorry I'm cutting in John, er, Chris I sent you a missive re. "Uncle Harry" did you recieve it,pl.contact       dickie............

Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: christine on April 13, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
I'm afraid children are horrified at the thought of actually having to share a room these days, aren't they?  It's no wonder people get into trouble with their huge mortgages: they simply aren't willing to do without the extras e.g. en suite, rumpus room and all that stuff.

Bren
Well we have an en suite Bren - but a 'rumpus room' - think I'll not mention that one to Stuart! Do you have one may I ask?
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 14, 2009, 03:34:39 AM
I'm afraid children are horrified at the thought of actually having to share a room these days, aren't they?  It's no wonder people get into trouble with their huge mortgages: they simply aren't willing to do without the extras e.g. en suite, rumpus room and all that stuff.

Bren
Well we have an en suite Bren - but a 'rumpus room' - think I'll not mention that one to Stuart! Do you have one may I ask?

I don't think we call them rumpus rooms now do we?  I think they are family rooms or acctivity rooms.  Not to mention the "Home Theatre room".  Pete's boss has a home theare room, with a huge TV screen that takes up the whole wall, but the room is only about 6 metres deep, so I would imagine watching it would be quite painful.  But some people have to have the biggest and the best.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 14, 2009, 04:23:10 AM
No Chris - no ensuite and no family room per se.  Yes, I think 'rumpus room' is an American term and for that I apologise profusely. 

Our youngest daughter's last house had the 'media room' and just about everything else it was possible to have. We only saw it just before completion and it looked the size of a whole block of houses on Downham.  You could have held a ball in the master bedroom. Oh, and there was also an extra kitchen so when they had a barbecue, they didn't have to use the main kitchen.

Say no more ....
Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 19, 2009, 07:57:27 PM
As i stated i got to the 1970`s. This is when many people bought, they did the houses up added extensions. The gardens turned i`m afraid into a parking place.( Going back the council used to give certificates for the best kept gardens my Dad got a few). The council also stopped things like Playcentre and doing things for the kids in School Holidays in the local Parks and then moan when due to boredom they got into trouble. You wonder where all the money went that we gave the council. They had less money in the 50`s and 60`s but they cut privets, redecorated your house. Swept the roads. Weekly bin collection and would take anything as they towed a cart behind the bin lorry for large items, but these days they get 10 times the money for 10 times less the service.( Sorry about that moan its a pet hate of mine). Are things in OZ any better on that front?
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 20, 2009, 03:12:32 AM
As i stated i got to the 1970`s. This is when many people bought, they did the houses up added extensions. The gardens turned i`m afraid into a parking place.( Going back the council used to give certificates for the best kept gardens my Dad got a few). The council also stopped things like Playcentre and doing things for the kids in School Holidays in the local Parks and then moan when due to boredom they got into trouble. You wonder where all the money went that we gave the council. They had less money in the 50`s and 60`s but they cut privets, redecorated your house. Swept the roads. Weekly bin collection and would take anything as they towed a cart behind the bin lorry for large items, but these days they get 10 times the money for 10 times less the service.( Sorry about that moan its a pet hate of mine). Are things in OZ any better on that front?

I was talking to Australian born and bred friends, and they tell me that they NEVER had school dinners, they just weren't available.  Then I told them of holiday school care for Mums that worked, and that we could still get our school dinners during the holidays - I never did, my mum worked from home.  They were amazed.  I guess Aussie Mums stayed home, seemed a different lifestyle then from England. I only came here in 1988 and it seemed backward then, but had caught up in a real hurry, I guess things were a real shock to you when you came Brenda?
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: christine on April 20, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
Splinter - don't get me onto complaining about what the local authority does and doesn't do. 'Weekly' bin collections?  - my daughter lives in Kingston and their household bin is collected once a fortnight - although recycling is collected every week!  I won't go into details about the amount that was waiting to be collected post Easter - and they are only a family of two and a baby. Of course if the bin is full they will not remove anything sitting at the side until the following collection day. Road cleaning? - our cul-de-sac (half of which is tree lined) was swept in early December last year only after I contacted the Council because the road was thick with wet, dead leaves.  According to the Council's website - all roads in the area should be swept at least once in three months, its now nearly five months and guess what.....  I do so remember how clean Downham was - there was always an army of roadsweepers but then, of course, there were no take away places so we were not overrun by pizza boxes and remains of Kentucky Fried Chicken packs!
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 20, 2009, 11:37:05 AM
If they charged these take aways to clean up after them so bins are paid for it might help a little. But when i go to Canaries they wash down and clean the streets every day and they get charged less than 250 per year for that. This bit wont go down well. But please bring back what was wrongly called `the Poll Tax`. I was better off everybody who was over 18 and working paid. So the more people in a house the more was paid and as they used more facillities it was fair. Now if you are a family all working of 4 or 5 its about 1,300 per year if you are all alone you get a miserly 25% off wich is still 975 i Know who`s worse off.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: christine on April 20, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
If they charged these take aways to clean up after them so bins are paid for it might help a little. But when i go to Canaries they wash down and clean the streets every day and they get charged less than 250 per year for that. This bit wont go down well. But please bring back what was wrongly called `the Poll Tax`. I was better off everybody who was over 18 and working paid. So the more people in a house the more was paid and as they used more facillities it was fair. Now if you are a family all working of 4 or 5 its about 1,300 per year if you are all alone you get a miserly 25% off wich is still 975 i Know who`s worse off.
We have a lot to learn about cleanliness from our European neighbours Splinter.  Several years ago we went to Paris for a weekend - they have a very ingenious method of cleaning the gutters whereby the water is automatically turned on at various points around the city streets and the gutters are automatically cleaned - clever the French! I again made a complaint about the roads leading out of Horsham, where I live, that were choc a bloc with all kinds of debris - including lots of discarded shoes can you believe - I was informed that it would be dealt with although the road would be closed from time to time to carry out this operation for health and safety reasons - you can guess that it has never been done. Unbelievably Horsham was mentioned a couple of years ago as one of the best places to live in the UK by Kirstie Allsop and Phil Spencer on 'Location, Location' - we have also won 'Britain in Bloom' several times.  Think they need to spread their net wider! Where do you pay 1300 per year for council tax - ours is over 2000 so you can guess why I am always grumbling especially as yesterday I even swept the footpath!
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 20, 2009, 02:41:45 PM
1300 is for my end of terrace 3 bed house in Pendragon Road. If i lived on my own there i would have to pay 975 p.a.4 Adults could easily live there and it would work out at 325 each. So this single occupier discount is a load of rubbish then again so is the council. All they seam to need the money for is stupid (diverse) schemes which after all the Press Releases  to show how good they are the next year it closes due to lack of funds. ( youv`e got me on my pedestal again ) And if you saw the wages the top people in the council get !! I think it`s 4 or 5 get more than our PM and he RUNS ???? the country. There Area is about 20 Square miles if that. Oh sorry i forgot they must also have a Pension or they will be poor in their old age. SORRY ABOUT THE RANT.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 21, 2009, 01:56:02 AM
Splinter - don't get me onto complaining about what the local authority does and doesn't do. 'Weekly' bin collections?  - my daughter lives in Kingston and their household bin is collected once a fortnight - although recycling is collected every week! 

I wish our council would collect the re-cycling bin every week, ours is collection once a fortnight, and my recycling bin is always full to overflowing, and my normal rubbish bin is almost empty. 
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Brenda on April 21, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
In recent years, the garbage collection service has extended to these 'ere parts, but no way am I going to drag a wheelie bin up a rutted sandy road for 2.39kms.  So, we compost and burn and now I take recyclable goods to my sister's bin in town.  Any other rubbish is piled up until we have enough for a uteload to take to the tip.  But, as you all say, it is astonishing how much rubbish we all end up with. 

Bren
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 22, 2009, 01:24:26 AM
I recycle as much as i can now, but its a bit disheartening when you read that because there is no money in it now the recycling firms are sending it to land fill sites. So we now have 2 Trucks putting out CO2 i sometimes wonder if the people in charge have got a brain. A good saying is that "Most people drink from the fountain of Knowledge, others just gargle".
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: christine on April 23, 2009, 04:06:14 PM
I recycle as much as i can now, but its a bit disheartening when you read that because there is no money in it now the recycling firms are sending it to land fill sites. So we now have 2 Trucks putting out CO2 i sometimes wonder if the people in charge have got a brain. A good saying is that "Most people drink from the fountain of Knowledge, others just gargle".
Only two trucks Splinter - on alternate weeks we have three - one for household, one for garden refuse and one for newspaper! The in-between week sees two collections of household and plastics.  It seems they are also planning a collection for drinks cartons in this part of Sussex so will expect even more trucks. We have spent several holidays in various parts of Spain and, without exception, from the smallest village to the largest town, there are recycling bins in easy to access places where the inhabitants dump their own recyclables so no lorries going up and down all the streets - just one truck to deal with the lot.  Anyway, Splinter, on yer soap box - what's your take on the Budget and what would you do if you were trillions of pounds in the red?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 24, 2009, 12:41:40 AM
My take on the Budget !!! I think that those in power!!! Think we are morons. First those people who earn alot of money in this country dont pay much tax already so it wont change a thing it was done as a political jesture. If you do earn a good income you can see that if your income is 99,000 p.a. you will get your increase in other ways so the extra tax will not have to be paid. Or move abroad.I Think its better to get 40% of something than 50% of nothing. The majority of our deficit will be paid by normal working people on a lowish income and the problem is that this country only has to have another financial problem and we will be up the creek without a paddle. They are also working from the best case sinario to make it look better than it really is. But you and i and i think most people are not stupid we all know what we were told was utter rubbish. Everybody in this country is now in debt to the fiscal world the staggering amount of 7,000 and thats per annum. Every Man, Woman, Child and dog owes this and the only way to pay it back is through taxes or further cuts in our way of life. But the people who caused all this get away free. That includes Bankers, Speculaters and M.P.`s. What we need now is for somebody to stand up and tell us truly the problem and the way it can be fixed, that way it will give us the incentive if we also know that any hard work we do is not going to freeloaders and is to help our children /Grandchildren. OK iv`e had my rant i could write a book on this subject, but i would like to know what this GLOBAL RECESSION is doing to our friends in OZ Speak to you soon John.
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Pauline on April 24, 2009, 02:23:27 AM
OK iv`e had my rant i could write a book on this subject, but i would like to know what this GLOBAL RECESSION is doing to our friends in OZ Speak to you soon John.

My superannuation has fell into a hole.  I didn't exactly LOSE any money, but it didn't grow as much as it had been.  Here in Perth there are certainly more people looking for work.  Pete works for a shopfitting company, and before the recession they would advertise for carpenters and shopfitters and not get even one enquiry.  Now they are getting at least 2 phone calls a day!  The shopfitting business is still booming, new shops opening everywhere, lots of new 'chain' stores. Strange shops selling only stationery stuff, folders, paper clips all in wonderful designs.  One shop just sells TEA in all flavours. But the strange this is they are always packed and doing a wonderful trade. The shopping centres are still very busy. Here at the University we have had a greater intake this year, people who have not found a job are taking up more education, so they will end up over qualified and still not get a job.
I can honestly say that in all my adult life no government has ever done anything that helps me personally, now our Mr Rudd is giving all tax payers $900 to spend.  The idea being that we all go out and spend the money in the shops.  I think he has been a tad short sighted, my 16yo granddaughter works Thursday evenings and Saturdays, but although she pays tax, when she puts in her tax return she gets it all back, so she won't get the $900.  I think that if they gave to $900 to 16-20yo girls they would go straight out into the shops and blow the lot!  That would 'kick start' the economy!
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Frank (hutchsky) on April 24, 2009, 04:57:49 AM
We are finding things OK at the moment, I think if you have no mortgage and every thing paid for, apart from fuel and food we seem to manage. I only do volunteer work about 2-3 days a week, my wife works now 4 days a week from 3 because her employer is so busy. I just been offered a Job paying $35.00 per hour, which I don't want, not full time, I might do it on a contract basis? I could even go back to my old employer, so yes work is limited, but if you want to work or just want money (There is a difference) you will survive. I was completely broke 12 years ago, all I had was a bunky car, after a bad time with business partners and ex wife. We live in a lucky country!!
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Dickie eagle on April 24, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
there is one little ray of light inasmuch as that rogue "sir" Peter who fiddled excessive terminal payments from Northern Rock after he had ruined then will have 50 % taken out of his Pension .   dickie ............
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: christine on April 24, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
I know its of no interest to anyone out there really but after my rant to Horsham DC, a road sweeper turned up this morning - one of the biggest machines you have ever seen - and proceeded to clean my cul-de-sac.  It turned up at 7 a.m. and took quite a long time to finish because it had trouble turning in a confined area!  Now the man who used to clean Woodbank Road in my childhood with his little push along bin and large broom would have done the job in 5 minutes and WOULD NOT HAVE WOKEN ME UP!
there is one little ray of light inasmuch as that rogue "sir" Peter who fiddled excessive terminal payments from Northern Rock after he had ruined then will have 50 % taken out of his Pension .   dickie ............
See also in the paper this morning, dickie, that plans are afoot for Sir Fred Goodwin ('Fred the Shred' of RBS fame) to be stripped of his knighthood.  Wonder whether he will be able to retain that as he seems successfully to have retained his 750,000 annual pension (less tax, of course). 
Title: Re: Life on DOWNHAM
Post by: Splinter on April 24, 2009, 08:21:15 PM
The only problem is that his pension ,a large part will be shares so he will only pay 18% capital gains tax and thats on the profits. As i said really rich people dont pay much tax. For example i payed more tax last year than the owners ? of the three largest Department stores in London put together. One wants to be a British Citizen but we wont let him , another has put the whole company in his wifes name and she`s from abroad and the last bought a company that lost money to claim back the tax, the only wont the ground its standing on and when its ok to sell he will do it though a charity he runs . THESE PEOPLE DIDN`T BECOME RICH BY PAYING TAXES. Or they would move abroad. Another Rant i Know. From reading the posts of our OZ friends it seams thing are not as bad there. Do they still do the 10 assisted passage i could show an intrest. ( I wish).