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Title: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 11, 2008, 09:44:40 AM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: JSmith on February 12, 2008, 01:03:44 AM
Welcome to Downham on line Snow drop. There are a lot of interesting things to see, especially the memories of the other guys using the site, one of our best is Dickie, I guess we could call him the professor of history for Downham. Have a look at the photo's, there are trams, schools and other scenes which will bring memories flooding back. and of course we have the Ladies from Aussie keeping things going, my name is Smiffy I was born in Churchdown rd (opposite the Girls school wow) I live in Canada now. Good luck.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on February 12, 2008, 01:07:28 AM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.

Hey Snowdrop, good to have you on board.  We have some laughs and a few tears.  We Aussies brag about our sun, and sometimes even about the rain!!!!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 12, 2008, 09:43:55 AM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.

Hallo there - good to see another old Downhamite has found us.  You will see that we all have good memories of a happy childhood on Downham so you are in good company.  I, too, attended Pendragon School.  What years did you attend?  I lived on Durham Hill which intersected Moorside Rd.  Look forward to hearing more of your memories.  As for not really knowing what to write about ... well, some of us just call in to say "Hallo" from time to time.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: christine on February 12, 2008, 10:36:44 PM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.
Welcome Snowdrop - I'm an old school friend of Brenda's (well, not that old!) and also went to Ballamore, Pendragon and then on to Churchdown Girls. I lived for about ten years in Woodbank Road as a child, moved away briefly in 1959 and then back again to Dagonet Gardens for a couple of years before moving to Lee Green.  Don't live anywhere exotic like the girls from Oz or Smiffy in Canada - just West Sussex - but we do all have the Downham link that keeps us together.  Looking forward to hearing your memories.............
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 14, 2008, 02:05:51 PM
Well hello again everyone, it was so nice to be made so welcome and at least we all have one thing in common and thats good old Downham!!!. Smiffy I used to have a very good childhood friend from school she lived in Churchdown Rd, No 27 I think (now the old grey cells are working he he), there name was Siddle and their dad bless him had a motorbike and sidecar, they were a big family.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 14, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.

Hallo there - good to see another old Downhamite has found us.  You will see that we all have good memories of a happy childhood on Downham so you are in good company.  I, too, attended Pendragon School.  What years did you attend?  I lived on Durham Hill which intersected Moorside Rd.  Look forward to hearing more of your memories.  As for not really knowing what to write about ... well, some of us just call in to say "Hallo" from time to time.

Hello Brenda its lovely to be made welcome, yes I did have very happy memories of Downham, I went to Pendragon School after Ballamore not very good with dates but I do remember the headmistress being very strict Mrs Lovelace? Loveday ?? and Miss Doubleday who had a bubble car that she used to turn up in schooltime this car opened up and this incredibly tall women got out she had high legged boots on WOW how cool was that!!!. Also at Pendragon School they had a thing called Rose Queen??where we all had to dress up in pretty dresses and take roses to school bit like a May Queen, my friend Sheila Dabin was chosen how did I envy her!!! well the memories are flooding back now!!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 14, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.
Welcome Snowdrop - I'm an old school friend of Brenda's (well, not that old!) and also went to Ballamore, Pendragon and then on to Churchdown Girls. I lived for about ten years in Woodbank Road as a child, moved away briefly in 1959 and then back again to Dagonet Gardens for a couple of years before moving to Lee Green.  Don't live anywhere exotic like the girls from Oz or Smiffy in Canada - just West Sussex - but we do all have the Downham link that keeps us together.  Looking forward to hearing your memories.............
Hello Christine, nice to hear from you, thing I remember about Ballamore School is the afternoons we all had a little canvas camp bed and had them set out in the playground and the nursery teacher sat on a little chair and watched over us while we had a sleep and she was a white haired sweetest natured person and her name was Mrs Ward, lovely lady. Then Pendragon School had a grumpy teacher called Mr Evans who had a very large wart on the end of his nose(funny the things we remember!!), and would always throw blackboard rubbers!!! OUCH!! then on to Malory School, I loved living in Dagonet Gardens cos I was born there and remember lots of very good fun on the large green playing cricket etc!! I was born in 1954 and lived in No.19 but had lots of mates in the flats... Sussex is a lovely county I am so pleased to have found a link with the past and I hope we will continue to become good friends xx
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: christine on February 14, 2008, 04:25:36 PM
Hi Snowdrop
Had a little chuckle at your memories.  I always thought it was Mr Wallace who had the wart on his nose but you may be right - it was a long time ago - and yes, I remember the canvas beds.  You are about ten years younger than me so I am surprised that they were still around when you were at Ballamore.  A friend of mine from way back ended up as head teacher at Pendragon and may have been there during your time - Pat Powling - mean anything to you? I cannot remember the number I lived at in Dagonet but it was a ground floor flat.  I had a school friend who lived there as well - did you know Ann Woodgate - again she would be the same age as I am now - goodness where have the years gone!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 14, 2008, 06:24:03 PM
Hi Snowdrop
Had a little chuckle at your memories.  I always thought it was Mr Wallace who had the wart on his nose but you may be right - it was a long time ago - and yes, I remember the canvas beds.  You are about ten years younger than me so I am surprised that they were still around when you were at Ballamore.  A friend of mine from way back ended up as head teacher at Pendragon and may have been there during your time - Pat Powling - mean anything to you? I cannot remember the number I lived at in Dagonet but it was a ground floor flat.  I had a school friend who lived there as well - did you know Ann Woodgate - again she would be the same age as I am now - goodness where have the years gone!
Hi Christine, WOW how cool is that somebody else remembers the canvas beds YIPPEE!!!!! I don't remember a Mr Wallace but I do remember Mr Large Wart Evans he was welsh rather short and had a disgusting habit of nose picking!!!!UGH too much info is not good hehe!!  Do you also remember another teach there Mrs Henderson !! she was evil and she used to hit you over the back of the hand with a ruler!!. Never felt the wrath of it!! but there was plenty who did!!. I do remember the Woodgate family they used to live at No.2 Boy the old grey cells are really kicking in now, the Peaks lived at No.1, The Taylors at No.3 and I remember the Italian family The Mariners who had a very feisty mum, Oh Christine I am on a roll now!!!! The Willoughbys lived in the flats as well.

More nostalgia to follow ......
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 14, 2008, 11:03:34 PM
Great to read your reminiscences, Snowdrop.  You are of a slighty different era to mine so our memories of Pendragon are not quite the same.  I would have preceded you by several years having been born in 1943.  However, I do remember Miss Rudolph who became Mrs Loveless and a more appropriate name I cannot think of.  She succeeded Mr Cutler, the headmaster who died suddenly. He was the dearest, kindness of men and Miss Rudolph was a different kettle of fish entirely.  I was not alone in being terrified of her.

Like Christine, I remember the warty teacher as Mr Wallace (or even as Mr Gibbs) who was tall and thin.  Well, perhaps Pendragon had two warty-nosed teachers over the years.  Who knows.

By the way, I have sent a message to Ann Woodgate via Friendsreunited.  However, as I did so a few years ago and got no response, I am not hopeful of a reply this time.  I shall let you both know if she makes contact.

Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 15, 2008, 03:56:10 PM
Hi Brenda, it was nice to hear from you, yes I was a little bit behind you, perhaps as you say there may well have been 2 warty teachers!!!he he, Mrs Loveless ruled with a rod of iron and had a face to match!!!always stern looking but apart from the odd couple of teachers names I have really struggled to try and remember them!! after all it was a long long time ago now!!. I remember when at Ballamore School my mummy worked full time so I used to go to a rather sweet elderly lady in Reigate Road and she was called Nanny Jack!! God I am really digging deep now!!! Brenda do you remember the Rose Queen event they had at Pendragon or it mat have been Ballamore cant remember now........more nostalgia to follow
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 15, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
More nostalgia on its way.... when my mummy used say she wanted some shopping she would always say could you go Up The Top for me darling!!. trying to think what the shops were.. the Post office was first then a Hairdressers called Dubarrys where my mummy had her hair done most weeks!!Boltons the Newsagents think there was a Bakers as well also remember the chip shop where I always used to buy 6d worth of gorgeous chips after I had been swimming at Downham Baths, God they tasted bloody marvellous and lasted me all the way home!!.Also on the corner was a butchers  and also the chemist was Morrell and Dixon where I used to work. Over the road was a launderette then the Oil shop run but 2 lovely chaps who always wore brown coats and the change they would put in these metal little things and it would fly around the shop until it reached you with your change!!! How cool was that!!. I remember that a brand spanking new Co-op was opening and that caused great excitement!! and it was being opened by the one and only Bobby Moore!!!we all got a glimpse of him. I also remember a shop called Anne's and also a greengrocers on the corner, and at the bottom end of Downham, I remember spending many a happy hour sitting outside The Northover on a sunday with a bottle of lemonade and a Hardtack  biscuit, i think if you hit it with a hammer it would break!!. the only things  I remember about the parade of shops there was opposite the pub was a lovely sweet shop a fish and chip shop also think there was a little supermarket sort of shop that sold everything!!..... more nostalgia later
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: christine on February 15, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
Gosh Snowdrop you have a good memory - obviously youth is on your side!  You mention a brand new Co-op - this must be different to the one that I remember as my mum used to work there.  These were the days when you had to queue for whatever you wanted, possibly wait for it to be weighed, and then your money was whisked away as if by magic to the office at the end of the shop and your change returned. Believe it or not I still remember her 'dividend' or 'divi' number even after all these years and my daughter hooted with laughter when I told her and insisted I told the ladies in her local Co-op shop in Kingston.  They of course had no idea what I was talking about - these days you have a membership card which is swiped.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 15, 2008, 06:50:58 PM
Hi Christine, not sure about that!!! I suppose I have stored this all away in my head and now being on the site has jogged it all back!!!, some things I can remember as clear as anything but yet other things like the teachers names etc I am struggling with!! Cant have it all ways darling can we!!. I can only remember that Co-op which Bobby Moore opened. Ahhhh!!! those were the days Christine. I also remember I used to go to Sunday School it was a great big wooden hut in the middle of a great big piece of ground heading towards Grove Park cant remember the name of it though!!! and I also used to belong to St Luke's and go to Brownies there and spent happy times there jumble sales etc!!!...... more nostalgia to follow
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: christine on February 16, 2008, 07:26:52 PM
Hey Snowdrop - I was in the Brownies at St Lukes and a Girl Guide and, would you believe, my brother was a Queens Scout but that was before your time!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 17, 2008, 01:03:51 AM
Hallo again Snowdrop.  Sorry but the Rose Queen event must have been after my time.   I agree with your opinion of Miss Rudolph/Mrs Lovelace's face.  Anyone got any photos of her?

Your trip down Memory Lane is interesting.  Yes, there was Boltons which,in the old days, used to have a lucky dip barrel just inside the door. Boltons is where I was sent to get my father's tobacco ' "Half an ounce of Old Holborn please and a packet of Rizla Reds."  Don't think children are allowed to buy such things now, are they?

The shop where you bought the oil etc was Allneeds.  I remember the two fellows in their brown coats well - lovely fellows - and for years I thought they were the Misters Allneed.  Then the penny dropped!

Anns  is where my winter coats were bought as well as buttons and other odds and sods.  Then there was the bicycle shop and the shoe shop on the same side.   And Whites on the corner of Capstone Rd where we bought flying saucers, two for a halfpenny, wooden liquorice etc.

I remember the chemist well.  There was almost a feeling of sanctity in there!  One side for the prescriptions, the other side for frivololities such as shampoos. 

The bakers was a place of fascination and I was always in awe of the wonderfully decorated cakes in the windows.  My mother used to send me in to buy bread and tell me to 'make sure it is fresh' and I was always terrified of being given a stale one because I knew I would never be brave enough to refuse to take it. And then I'd be in strife.

Oh, the memories.  Keep 'em coming.

Like you, Chris, I remember our old Co-op number.  Funny how some things are imprinted on the brain.

As for the chips after swimming - well, did anything ever taste as good?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 17, 2008, 09:13:53 PM
Hey Snowdrop - I was in the Brownies at St Lukes and a Girl Guide and, would you believe, my brother was a Queens Scout but that was before your time!

Hello Christine, I used to have a great time at Brownies at St Lukes!!! and I also used to go to an after school club type thing, it was quite near Pendragon School walking towards Reigate Rd, turn left and there was another big school there but |I cannot remember the name of it, and I always used to go to Playcentre there in the school holidays etc it was great fun and I used to go to Tap and Ballet classes there as well after school!!!.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 17, 2008, 09:26:20 PM
Hallo again Snowdrop.  Sorry but the Rose Queen event must have been after my time.   I agree with your opinion of Miss Rudolph/Mrs Lovelace's face.  Anyone got any photos of her?

Your trip down Memory Lane is interesting.  Yes, there was Boltons which,in the old days, used to have a lucky dip barrel just inside the door. Boltons is where I was sent to get my father's tobacco ' "Half an ounce of Old Holborn please and a packet of Rizla Reds."  Don't think children are allowed to buy such things now, are they?

The shop where you bought the oil etc was Allneeds.  I remember the two fellows in their brown coats well - lovely fellows - and for years I thought they were the Misters Allneed.  Then the penny dropped!

Anns  is where my winter coats were bought as well as buttons and other odds and sods.  Then there was the bicycle shop and the shoe shop on the same side.   And Whites on the corner of Capstone Rd where we bought flying saucers, two for a halfpenny, wooden liquorice etc.

I remember the chemist well.  There was almost a feeling of sanctity in there!  One side for the prescriptions, the other side for frivololities such as shampoos. 

The bakers was a place of fascination and I was always in awe of the wonderfully decorated cakes in the windows.  My mother used to send me in to buy bread and tell me to 'make sure it is fresh' and I was always terrified of being given a stale one because I knew I would never be brave enough to refuse to take it. And then I'd be in strife.

Oh, the memories.  Keep 'em coming.

Like you, Chris, I remember our old Co-op number.  Funny how some things are imprinted on the brain.

As for the chips after swimming - well, did anything ever taste as good?  I don't think so.
Hello Brenda, ah the good old days, I remember the bakers now they were always displayed on glass shelves and I drooled everytime I went past, and vaguely remember the shoe shop as well, Anns was a funny little place when you went in they were all displayed in wooden drawers with glass fronts, all displaying gloves stockings etc.. Nothing tasted better than 6d worth of chips after swimming even to this day probably Brenda.. The thought of Mrs Loveless UGH!!!! sends shivers down me spine as we speak!!. The chemist was a lovely place to work, they were very nice kind people, the manager his name escapes me all I can remember he was very tall with glasses and he drive an Allegro car with a square steering wheel!!! and a thin chap called Max and a lady who had worked in there for years and years he lived above the shop.a girl called Kathy and me!!!!! Used to have a elderly lady living in the flats at Dagonet Gardens called Nanny Selby and I always used to run errands for her and I had to go to the shops and buy 2d worth of snuff for her!!!Boltons had a big big counter on the left as you walked in and it was full of magazines and papers  and all the sweets were on the other side it was like an Aladdin's Cave!!! great for spending your pocket money in!!...

I will check with my brother about photos he may well have some because he is 11/12 older than me and probably will remember much more than me as well..... nostalgia to follow..... Take care and keep safe everybody
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 18, 2008, 12:17:19 AM
So glad you are sharing your memories with us all. We look forward to seeing any photographs you care to share. 
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 18, 2008, 12:19:58 AM
And you've got me to thinking ( a tough call these days) that Miss Rudolph's married name might well have been Lovelace and not Loveless.  Perhaps that's how it was pronounced and how it appeared in our brains.  Well, my brain anyway.  What's the consensus of opinion on this one? Still, Loveless was certainly appropriate.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on February 18, 2008, 07:13:29 AM
Hey Snowdrop - I was in the Brownies at St Lukes and a Girl Guide and, would you believe, my brother was a Queens Scout but that was before your time!
I went to Girls Brigade at that funny hall along Downham Way before you got to Grove Park.
Don't remember the new Co-op, but then I left in 1964.
Mum would send me down the shops,  just for a loaf of bread which evenually turned into a shopping list and a bag of stuff I could hardly carry.  Its funny, but even now when someone wants something, and then adds extras I say "This is getting to be like my mothers shopping list".
I think we've talked about swimming before.  I remember we simply HAD to go. It were cold and miserable there, but I think our thoughts on that are all on another 'thread' somewhere.
An old friend sent me some photos a while back, I will have to look for them, and up load them if I can understand the destructions.

Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 18, 2008, 09:41:02 AM
And you've got me to thinking ( a tough call these days) that Miss Rudolph's married name might well have been Lovelace and not Loveless.  Perhaps that's how it was pronounced and how it appeared in our brains.  Well, my brain anyway.  What's the consensus of opinion on this one? Still, Loveless was certainly appropriate.

Hello Brenda, the cells are certainly being put to the test, I think you are right it was Lovelace but I pity Mr Lovelace or Loveless hehe, can still see her stern face and she had glasses sometimes on a chain I think!!!!! UGH!!!!! shiver shiver down the spine!!!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 18, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
Hey Snowdrop - I was in the Brownies at St Lukes and a Girl Guide and, would you believe, my brother was a Queens Scout but that was before your time!
I went to Girls Brigade at that funny hall along Downham Way before you got to Grove Park.
Don't remember the new Co-op, but then I left in 1964.
Mum would send me down the shops,  just for a loaf of bread which eventually turned into a shopping list and a bag of stuff I could hardly carry.  Its funny, but even now when someone wants something, and then adds extras I say "This is getting to be like my mothers shopping list".
I think we've talked about swimming before.  I remember we simply HAD to go. It were cold and miserable there, but I think our thoughts on that are all on another 'thread' somewhere.
Hello Christine, that was a funny little hall where I went to Sunday School and I used to love going out on little trips with them, great times, Mummy would send me UP theTop for errands usually for Paraffin and sent me with a funny little can for the lovely men to fill children wouldn't be allowed to do that now and we would fill up our little oil stove!!!!.
Swimming was heavenly but the chips were worth waiting for!!!!!!! will check for photos must have some somewhere!!! and my brother may have some.  more nostalgia later......


Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: maureen on February 19, 2008, 09:31:10 AM
Just been reading all your lovely stories. Allneeds I remember that shop, Mum used to buy her Zamo disinfectant there and the paraffin for the stove in the bathroom, oh gawd how I hated that smell, it always seem to lay on my chest. We also used to buy paraffin from the pink paraffin man that used to come round in a van. I wonder if either of the men in Allneeds were called Arkwright?

My mum also used to say "up the road" for the Northover shops and it was a hell of a walk for our poor old mums, walking from half way up Shroffold to Downham Way for the shopping and then lugging it all back up hill.

I remember a little bakers shop probably the second or third shop on the left as you went to Downham Way, there was an elderly, very upright man that owned the shop and worked there for years and he used to sell fresh yeast, not that we ever bought any but the whole shop used to smell lovely. Then in the early 60's was a clothes shop close to that bakers where most of my wages used to go, used to pay off weekly. Talking about paying off weekly do you remember Pecry's (not sure if I've spelt that right) in Catford, mum used to get most everything in there, our shoes, bedroom slippers, bed linen etc and that was all paid for weekly. We used to see Tommy Steele's mum in there regularly.

The Muffin Man on a Sunday, how I loved the sound of that bell about 4pm, always knew what we were going to have for tea and the pease pudding van, I used to rush out there with a big bowl for that, never liked the faggots but hmmm that pease pudding.

Keep em coming folks, I'm actually at work but it's so quiet at the moment.

Would love to hear from anyone who lived on Shroffold between 56-68. Our neighbours were the O'Neills, the Brennans, D'Amiral, Mr & Mrs Jenkins and Brian, Kenny Ludwick, Susan Williamson (or Williams?).
 
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on February 19, 2008, 03:09:12 PM
Snowdrop? nice to meet

















































 Hi "Snowdrop" nice to meet one of the new kids from Dahnum. Why Snowdrop? is there a story behind that, and which of the Armed forces did you grace with your presence?. there used to be a "Snowy" along Moorside road, but he had pure white hair but he was an albino  and must have preceded youtwenty years or more, anyway nice to have you in the club. oh, I came from the flats in Tristram Rd.     dickie..........









Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 19, 2008, 10:41:37 PM
Snowdrop? nice to meet

Good evening Dickie., its nice to be in the club (so to speak), I must admit since joining it , the happy memories I had have been wonderful and so nice to share!!, had no-one to share them with have I??until now  Snowdrop really came about because my hair is rather a nice shade of greyand my greatest passion is flowers so the two just went together really but my name is Sue and how do you do....
I was in the WRAC of which I thoroughly enjoyed..... keep safe and take care dickie...

















































 Hi "Snowdrop" nice to meet one of the new kids from Dahnum. Why Snowdrop? is there a story behind that, and which of the Armed forces did you grace with your presence?. there used to be a "Snowy" along Moorside road, but he had pure white hair but he was an albino  and must have preceded youtwenty years or more, anyway nice to have you in the club. oh, I came from the flats in Tristram Rd.     dickie..........










Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: JSmith on February 20, 2008, 04:11:00 AM
Snow drop I lived at 85 Churchdown. I went to downderry infants and we used to lay on cot beds for a sleep, they where set up on the green that diveded the juniors from the infants.  Our old co-op number was 228817, we shopped at the one on bromley rd in downham.  The baker delivered the bread, he came every saturday about the same time when he knocked on the door for his money my dad would shout out baker baker, memorys ,  once again I ask are you sure they where the good old days, every one tells me that is not the way to think, I don't know?. It really feels good to read your guys memorys, as well as the ones I have.  Sniffy  :'(  :)   
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 20, 2008, 08:46:49 AM
Snow drop I lived at 85 Churchdown. I went to downderry infants and we used to lay on cot beds for a sleep, they where set up on the green that diveded the juniors from the infants.  Our old co-op number was 228817, we shopped at the one on bromley rd in downham.  The baker delivered the bread, he came every saturday about the same time when he knocked on the door for his money my dad would shout out baker baker, memorys ,  once again I ask are you sure they where the good old days, every one tells me that is not the way to think, I don't know?. It really feels good to read your guys memorys, as well as the ones I have.  Sniffy  :'(  :)   

Morning Smiffy :) nice to hear from you :) my friend lived at 27 Churchdown big family and as I have said before their names was Siddle and they had a motorbike and sidecar had great fun getting a lift home with her dad I wouldn't be able to fit into the sidecar now ;D and now I think that Deborah (my friend) lives somewhere near Moorside Rd, well she did up until about 7 years ago ??? We used to have a baker come around on a Saturday morning with a great big wicker basket that he could hardly carry stashed with all sorts of goodies and wrap the bread in tissue paper :)and it smelt gorgeous not like now!!!!. Our next door neighbours The Martins,I still have a Xmas card every year from them still :)grew up with the family and still correspond with them and they were my auntie and uncle Joyce and Paddy and they still live in Moorside Rd ......such memories......they have been auntie and uncle all my life ....
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on February 21, 2008, 12:07:09 AM
Just been reading all your lovely stories. Allneeds I remember that shop, Mum used to buy her Zamo disinfectant there and the paraffin for the stove in the bathroom, oh gawd how I hated that smell, it always seem to lay on my chest. We also used to buy paraffin from the pink paraffin man that used to come round in a van. I wonder if either of the men in Allneeds were called Arkwright?

My mum also used to say "up the road" for the Northover shops and it was a hell of a walk for our poor old mums, walking from half way up Shroffold to Downham Way for the shopping and then lugging it all back up hill.

I remember a little bakers shop probably the second or third shop on the left as you went to Downham Way, there was an elderly, very upright man that owned the shop and worked there for years and he used to sell fresh yeast, not that we ever bought any but the whole shop used to smell lovely. Then in the early 60's was a clothes shop close to that bakers where most of my wages used to go, used to pay off weekly. Talking about paying off weekly do you remember Pecry's (not sure if I've spelt that right) in Catford, mum used to get most everything in there, our shoes, bedroom slippers, bed linen etc and that was all paid for weekly. We used to see Tommy Steele's mum in there regularly.

The Muffin Man on a Sunday, how I loved the sound of that bell about 4pm, always knew what we were going to have for tea and the pease pudding van, I used to rush out there with a big bowl for that, never liked the faggots but hmmm that pease pudding.

Keep em coming folks, I'm actually at work but it's so quiet at the moment.

Would love to hear from anyone who lived on Shroffold between 56-68. Our neighbours were the O'Neills, the Brennans, D'Amiral, Mr & Mrs Jenkins and Brian, Kenny Ludwick, Susan Williamson (or Williams?).
 


I remember going to the butchers with my mum abd handing over the coupons for the meat.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 22, 2008, 10:23:40 AM
Just thought of more neighbours they lived in Shroffold Rd, on the corner opposite Dadgonet Gardens, they were the Andersons Mum and Dad, and Pauline and Kevin, think Kevin joined the navy ....
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on February 22, 2008, 05:21:11 PM
Ah! RMS Snowdrop no doubt, my eldest daughter was in the WRAC  ( it used to be the ATS ! and I have a couple of cap badges to prove it ) She went from Frimley straight to Northern Ireland, or Ulster to give it its proper name, her second posting was to Cyprus a couple of months before the Turks invaded I think she was with the 9th. Signals. but she enjoyed every minute of it. There is a Portrait of her in the  Gallery. How about a portrait of Snowdrop too?        dickie......................
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on February 22, 2008, 11:45:20 PM
SUE ! nice name but we can stick to Snowdrop provide you don't blame me for being in the club plum , where were you posted?       Did you marry a Pongo too ?  dickie..................
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 23, 2008, 06:33:42 PM
Ah! RMS Snowdrop no doubt, my eldest daughter was in the WRAC  ( it used to be the ATS ! and I have a couple of cap badges to prove it ) She went from Frimley straight to Northern Ireland, or Ulster to give it its proper name, her second posting was to Cyprus a couple of months before the Turks invaded I think she was with the 9th. Signals. but she enjoyed every minute of it. There is a Portrait of her in the  Gallery. How about a portrait of Snowdrop too?        dickie......................

Hello Dickie, yes I enjoyed every minute too!!! I have some photos myself, not very good with the computer will ask my sons to show me what to do!!! thats progress for you  :D
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 23, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
SUE ! nice name but we can stick to Snowdrop provide you don't blame me for being in the club plum , where were you posted?       Did you marry a Pongo too ?  dickie..................

Hello again Dickie.. did my basic training at Guildford, then trade training at Deepcut, then got posted to Bicester nr Oxford then I volunteered for N.I. where upon I met my husband who was in the Paras!!!......the rest they say is history.. will try and post some photos!!..... Snowdrop keep safe and take care
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on February 26, 2008, 04:49:12 AM
Snowdrop, in case you haven't found it, there is a nice photo of Dagonet Gardens on the Phoenix Housing Association website. 

Can anyone identify which bit of Downham Way is in the adjoining photograph?
Looks like my memory is beginning to fail me.  Dementia here I come.

Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 26, 2008, 08:19:37 AM
Snowdrop, in case you haven't found it, there is a nice photo of Dagonet Gardens on the Phoenix Housing Association website. 

Can anyone identify which bit of Downham Way is in the adjoining photograph?
Looks like my memory is beginning to fail me.  Dementia here I come.


Hiya Brenda thanks for that, no I didnt know that, I will take a look, probably my memory is not what it was as well.
hey ho!!! no worries

keep safe and take xxxx Snowdrop
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Snowdrop on February 26, 2008, 08:42:25 AM
Hiya Brenda, found the website, well I think I did I found i picture of Dagonet Gardens, just the flats that were painted white??? is that the one you meant!!. if you hadn't have pointed that out I would never have recognised it!!! they weren't that colour when I was little, they were just good old fashioned red brick!!!

keep safe and take care .....
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on April 02, 2008, 09:38:52 PM

Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.
Hi Sue, what part of Norfolk' one of my last appointments was the RAF air base at Thetford I have a friend at Brinston, did you have any problem with the "earthquake" last month ?. Still trying to lift your Pictures off to make them clearer, wish Keith were still around as he was brilliant with mine.       dickie................X
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: JSmith on April 09, 2008, 02:26:43 AM

Hello I am a new member, 1st Post and certainly not the last!!!, I was born in Dagonet Gardens and I went to Ballamore School then Pendragon and then on to Mallory School, spent a very very happy childhood in Downham. Then I moved away to join HM Forces and now I live in Norfolk. I still have 2 brothers in the area, 1 lives in Peckham and 1 in Abbey Wood. Still have a childhood aunt, who lives in Moorside Road, lived next door to us in Dagonet Gardens and I grew up with them all. Don't really know what to write about on the 1st post..... I am just so grateful to have found a link with the past.
Hi Sue, what part of Norfolk' one of my last appointments was the RAF air base at Thetford I have a friend at Brinston, did you have any problem with the "earthquake" last month ?. Still trying to lift your Pictures off to make them clearer, wish Keith were still around as he was brilliant with mine.       dickie................X

Hey Dickie have not heard from you for ages, but thats my fault, not keeping up to date with the forum. Hope every things going good. Really enjoy reading your replys. Your Pal Smiffy
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: adcross on April 10, 2008, 12:46:48 PM
Hello Snowdrop and Christine. I haven't been on the website for ages and was surprised to read that you lived in Dagonet Gardens. I lived at 306 Shroffold Road which was near Dagonet. If you turned right from Dagonet into Shroffold I lived in the third house on the right. I lived there from 1946 to 1960 when I got married and soon migrated to New Zealand and then onto the Sunshine Coast of Queensland in 1999 and love it here. We often used to play in the long grass outside the flats as youngsters. The only person that I remember from the flats was Alfie Taylor who used to bully me until I finally gave him a thump and he was very friendly after that. One of you mentioned the Anderson's in Shroffold that must have been where the Carters lived in my time I remember they had a nice daughter Marina but she was too big for me, I mean age wise. Others that lived in Shroffold near us at that time were two lots of White's, Minsters, Gosbee, Lloyd Simmonds, Hearns and if you turned left from Dagonet there were the Fox twins, Heeney's another Fox family and the Smiths. Do you remeber any of them ?.
Have to sign off for now so welcome to Downham on line it's great to catch up with people from the same area. One thing that really surprised me was that when I lived in New Zealand I knew four people that lived in my area that all came from Downham, what a small world.
Cheers Tony Cross
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Post by: dee43dee on April 20, 2008, 10:06:23 AM
Hi am new to the site, my grandad and dad  ran the newsagents in the 60's/70's and my uncle sid had the fish shop next door, i remember the barrel of eels in the corner of the shop.
My dad some years later had the newsagent on marvels lane just down from the hospital.
I can remember all the mallory kids coming in for their sweets.
It was sad to see the pictures of the swimming baths, used to go there quite a bit.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 08, 2008, 11:50:54 AM
was that chmists Morrell & Dixons ?       and as for Sixpennies worth of Chips. Cor ! I would have wanted a Suitcase to hold them . My treat was a A "Tuppeny and a 'Pennorth " .The Skate (or Rock) wqas 2d. the  Chips were 1d wrapped in newspaper    dickie...............X
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on August 09, 2008, 02:05:57 AM
was that chmists Morrell & Dixons ?       and as for Sixpennies worth of Chips. Cor ! I would have wanted a Suitcase to hold them . My treat was a A "Tuppeny and a 'Pennorth " .The Skate (or Rock) wqas 2d. the  Chips were 1d wrapped in newspaper    dickie...............X

Yes and fish and chips were the only 'fast food' shops around.

Oh what I'd give for a piece of skate - what do you say Brenda?
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on August 11, 2008, 12:14:51 AM


Yes and fish and chips were the only 'fast food' shops around.

Oh what I'd give for a piece of skate - what do you say Brenda?


I wouldn't knock it back, Pauline!  Wouldn't knock back a decent faggot either. 
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on August 11, 2008, 02:21:26 AM


Yes and fish and chips were the only 'fast food' shops around.

Oh what I'd give for a piece of skate - what do you say Brenda?


I wouldn't knock it back, Pauline!  Wouldn't knock back a decent faggot either. 
We can't get scampi here in the west.  So when my daughter and I went to UK in 2006 we headed for the fish and chip shop for a basket of scampi and chips - tasted every bit as good as we remembered.
Pete loved savaloys too, haven't seen any of those around either.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on August 12, 2008, 06:47:19 AM
I'm pretty sure you can get saveloys down here although they aren't something I buy myself so maybe I've got that wrong.  I'm thankful we can get HP sauce and Branston Pickle and Piccalli too.  I don't like the Aussie pickles, they are too sweet.  I'd kill for a packet of tiger nuts!
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Bel on August 12, 2008, 10:25:05 PM
went to Southend today and had cod and chips for dinner and  bread and butter for our tea.....scrummy yummy
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on August 15, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
went to Southend today and had cod and chips for dinner and  bread and butter for our tea.....scrummy yummy

Oh Bel, how can you do that to us ex-pats!  I suppose you are going to tell me you know where the best faggots can be had too. 

Still, I can say that I have, at last, found a sausage worth buying.  And bought some Pontefract cakes yesterday although, I must say, they don't look quite as I remember them but they are supposed to be English and I should think, judging from the price, they would be.  Have only just remembered I bought them.  Off I go to have a sample.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on August 15, 2008, 06:30:03 AM
went to Southend today and had cod and chips for dinner and  bread and butter for our tea.....scrummy yummy

Oh Bel, how can you do that to us ex-pats!  I suppose you are going to tell me you know where the best faggots can be had too. 

Still, I can say that I have, at last, found a sausage worth buying.  And bought some Pontefract cakes yesterday although, I must say, they don't look quite as I remember them but they are supposed to be English and I should think, judging from the price, they would be.  Have only just remembered I bought them.  Off I go to have a sample.

I buy sausages made by the British Sausage company - found in most supermarkets here in the west.  They are 'almost' Richmond, but not quite.  In fact we had sausage, mash and onions last night.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Bel on August 16, 2008, 09:41:38 PM
well I used to cook tripe and onions for my dad, and I must say that I enjoyed this as well, but could never quite make it like my mum. There is a sweet shop on Sheppy that sells all the old fashion sweets and I must call in next time and have a look round.  Golly bars were my favourite a farthing each ( small solid toffy bar) and my halfpenny milk money often got spent this way.  I found two little honey bees indoors today, and carefully put them on the flowers on my runner beans (for ever hopeful thats me). To date I have a fair amount of flower and about 5 beans. Bel
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 18, 2008, 08:23:21 AM
 Morning all . :D  THOSE CULINARY FANTASIES , SAUAGES AND MASH ! and FAGGOTS.  What's wrong with what Manzes had to offer ? Pie & Mash ( with green liquor ), Jellied Eels, sumptuous. ,besides which if those little beggars had half a chance they would quite happily scoff me,every eel I eat is one less to eat me ..... Guess the Aussies should try Shark stew . I have a couple of Grandchildren out there in Brisbane at the moment improving their education          dickie.......................
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on August 18, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
Wotchyer Dickie,

And how are your grandchildren enjoying Brisbane and Oz in general?  We do eat shark but it's called flake.  Dunno why.  Now, talking about fish again - what wouldn't I give for a bloater.  Roe is also something I miss. A couple of years ago, Syd found a wet fish shop that was willing to order a kilo from Melbourne -soft roe, it was. I was thrilled to bits. When I was dividing it into small amounts, I saw 'something' and found it was a huge worm.  Yep, still alive.  When Syd took the lot back to the shop, the fellow said that all fish had worms. Hmmph. That may be so, but generally speaking one doesn't expect to find something that looks as if it crawled out of a dog's bum in one's meal!  Haven't tried to get any since then.  A bit off-putting to say the least.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: JSmith on August 19, 2008, 03:46:28 AM
When I went to England in '95 I had Roe & chips. Bloody marvelous. Did not think to try the jellied eels, wot-a-twit.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Pauline on August 19, 2008, 04:00:06 AM
When I went to England in '95 I had Roe & chips. Bloody marvelous. Did not think to try the jellied eels, wot-a-twit.

Thankfully I never could take to Jellied eels or roe.  We found some tinned hard roe on the supermarket shelf.  John West do it, Pete said it wasn't bad.
I cann occasional find black pudding.  But what I really would like to have again is strawberries and fresh cornish clotted cream!!!!

Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 20, 2008, 11:03:36 AM
 ::)back to nosh again, Hi Y'all, August Bank holiday ( Oh, my granddaughter informs me it is "Summer" Bank holiday ? ? ?  WHAT SUMMER ? )anyway off to Blackheath Fair and scrumptious apple and pear Fritters while listening to Tom Forest's Calliope playing then in the evening away to a Nymph dance in Abbey Woods. Ah, see what you children have missed by arriving too late. You could even get Bels Sarasparelle !   dickie..........
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Bel on August 20, 2008, 02:21:24 PM
oh  Brenda how very nasty finding a worm in the roe.  We used to have roes regularly from our local Morrisons fish counter till one hot day I saw a couple of bluebottles hovering over them which quite turned me off of buying them . I used to cook herrings in vinegar in the oven for my Dad and could never get rid of the smell which lingered for a couple of days. Never tried faggots but you can still buy them locally in the butchers.
Title: Re: Happy Memories of Downham
Post by: Brenda on August 25, 2008, 01:46:10 AM
Never tried faggots but you can still buy them locally in the butchers.
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My mother also used to make a fantastic stew with faggots. Oh boy, I can taste it now.  I'd love to know what went into English faggots. I've found recipes for them but they aren't the same. They all include liver and the overall taste is just of that.