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Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on July 30, 2006, 11:14:29 AM
Bel, you would know the answer to this one.  We've spoken about this particular shop previously (but I am too lazy to search through the old postings1).  What is the name of the cheapish clothing shop in Lewisham that closed down within the last couple of years?  It was a big place, with an escalator, all the clothes were on racks on two large floors.  A bit of a warehouse arrangement I suppose.  I think it was part of a chain and the Lewisham store one was the last remaining one.  I've known the name of this shop all my life and suddenly I can't remember it!  It's driving me bonkers.

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on July 30, 2006, 02:32:47 PM
ah.Brenda...... C & As comes to mind.... that was where I used to shop as a teenager.  they have all closed now, including the one in Bromley.  Primark has taken over all the stores and sell really cheap clothing. Jeans for £3. and tops for £1.50p  and I must say that the quality isnt too bad. They are often made in India, and are dearer there (so my son says who has just come back ). A lot of the shops in Lewisham have gone including the Co-op (now a police station and dear old Chiesmans, with the bargain basement where my Mother loved to shop. The Times furnishing (where I used to work) is another shop that has disappeared. Belx
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on July 30, 2006, 04:08:43 PM
THe Primark in Bromley is in the old Alders (Medhurst Building) it was in the Littlewoods Building Before that. THe Old C and A in Bromley is now A Next store.

Brenda where in Lewisham are you talking about?

Littlewoods has gone, so has C and A.
So has the Indoor Market (more small kiosks than a market)and not the indoor market that went in to the Cheesman Building (Now a wine Bar).It was next to what my mum used to Call the Model Market or the black market.
Title: Re: Lewisham shop
Post by: Dickie eagle on July 30, 2006, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: Brenda
Bel, you would know the answer to this one.  We've spoken about this particular shop previously (but I am too lazy to search through the old postings1).  What is the name of the cheapish clothing shop in Lewisham that closed down within the last couple of years?  It was a big place, with an escalator, all the clothes were on racks on two large floors.  A bit of a warehouse arrangement I suppose.  I think it was part of a chain and the Lewisham store one was the last remaining one.  I've known the name of this shop all my life and suddenly I can't remember it!  It's driving me bonkers.

Bren
     Bren my plum, I havent "fired" you what are the White Blobs ?. Oh and were you thinking of Chiesmans by any chance ?  dickie ....................
Title: LEWISHAM SHOP
Post by: Graham on July 30, 2006, 10:24:38 PM
My aunt Eileen worked in the C&A shop in Lewisham after the War. It was in Lewisham High Street just past the train bridge at Courthill Road and opposite Morley Road and the High Street.

Len Styles music shop was on the corner of Courthill Road and Lewisham High Street where many teenagers use to hang out. Just around the corner was a Snooker Hall that, as kids, we were told told not to visit.
Title: LEWISHAM SHOP
Post by: Graham on July 30, 2006, 10:42:48 PM
I remember Alders. Mr & Mrs Alder was a friend of my grandmother and I recall going there with her to buy some material. It was a dark spookey shop  with a man sitting high in an office at the back where all the sales money and change was delivered to and from  by a wire aerial delivery system. I can still see all those tubes flying by overhead. Alders was in Rushey Green on the corner of Wildfell Road.

Across the road was Gabledeaus toy shop which was always full of kids.

Does anyone remember the horrible, dirty house on the corner of Davenport Road with many caged animals called Pets Corner.  As a child, I bought a tortoise there and it disappeared from my garden and crawled away. Never did find it!
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on July 31, 2006, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: Bel
ah.Brenda...... C & As comes to mind....

Thank you Bel, that's the one.  How I could have forgotten I do not know.  I just goes to show what state my brain is in.  I had heard Chiesman's had gone too.  Nothing stays the same, does it?

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on July 31, 2006, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
THe Primark in Bromley is in the old Alders (Medhurst Building) it was in the Littlewoods Building Before that. THe Old C and A in Bromley is now A Next store.

Ah Lindylou, you've just solved another query.  I couldn't think why I was getting muddled up with Alders and Medhursts in Bromley.  Yes, it used to be Medhursts, the department store near Bromley Square.  I've got that right, haven't I?

Bren
Title: Re: LEWISHAM SHOP
Post by: Brenda on July 31, 2006, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: Graham
I remember Alders. Mr & Mrs Alder was a friend of my grandmother and I recall going there with her to buy some material. It was a dark spookey shop  with a man sitting high in an office at the back where all the sales money and change was delivered to and from  by a wire aerial delivery system. I can still see all those tubes flying by overhead. Alders was in Rushey Green on the corner of Wildfell Road.

Across the road was Gabledeaus toy shop which was always full of kids.

Does anyone remember the horrible, dirty house on the corner of Davenport Road with many caged animals called Pets Corner.  As a child, I bought a tortoise there and it disappeared from my garden and crawled away. Never did find it!


Hallo Graham,
I loved Alders in Rushey Green.   There is a shop in the city where Syd works which has that same old-fashioned feel about it (minus the aerial cash system - wasn't that fascinating?) and  whenever I go down there, I have a walk around the shop just to sniff in the atmosphere.

Yes, I remember the pet shop and the dreadful old man who ran it whom we called "Haircut".  When my friend and I were about ten years old, we complained about the state of some too young kittens in there (still blind) and Haircut chucked us out.  Thank heaven that sort of place wouldn't get away with it now.  Wel, I hope not anyway.  I bought a tortoise from there too.  We went on holiday to a chalet in Leysdown for a week and took the tortoise with us.  One morning, we found it with bite marks on its neck.  Mum said it was probably rats.  When we left, she said she left the tortoise with the lady in the shop to take care of.   I believed her for years!  Never had another one.
Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on July 31, 2006, 06:17:43 AM
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Bel
ah.Brenda...... C & As comes to mind....

Thank you Bel, that's the one.  How I could have forgotten I do not know.  I just goes to show what state my brain is in.  I had heard Chiesman's had gone too.  Nothing stays the same, does it?

Bren


I remember C & A or Coats and Ats as we used to call it.  They were a Dutch company I believe with an unpronouncable name.  Yes, the stuff in there was cheap but reasonable quality, not like Primark.  I visited Primark when I was in London recently - what a mess!!!!
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on July 31, 2006, 09:38:22 AM
[quote\]I remember C & A or Coats and Ats as we used to call it.  They were a Dutch company I believe with an unpronouncable name.  Yes, the stuff in there was cheap but reasonable quality, not like Primark.  I visited Primark when I was in London recently - what a mess!!!![/quote]


Unfortunately the average high street including Bromley and Lewisham has more poor quality type of clothing stores now than any other type.
In Bromley. You Have Primark, Select, Peacock, bay trading, New Look, Clobber. TKMaxx.
There is a Debenhams, British Home Stores, Evans, Next, Marks and Spencer and a few others but no House of Frasier or anything left.

In Lewisham itís pretty similar in the cheap shops. There is only a small Next, Marks and Spencer, British homes store, and again no House of Frasier.
Bexleyheath is also pretty similar.
 The only reason in my opinion why the older shopper still goes to these places is routine, it where they have always gone and they donít want to change, that and the markets. Lewisham still has it fruit market every day but Monday(I think) and Bromley still has it market on a Thursday. Grove Park Market is long gone.

Itís as if they are trying to turn people away from the High street, by producing high Fashion low quality clothes that will only last the season. Getting the young Market who are not quite brand aware, but want a similar rara skirt to the one Jlo is wearing. Obviously by the time they are 17-18 they want the Prada, or Ted baker so unless they are on benefit and can't secure a credit card they also head way from the high streets.


There is an out of town shopping complex Called Bluewater near where I live in Dartford and they have all the Designer shops, and a John Lewis, House of Frasier, and Marks and Spencer. They don't have stores like Woolworth or Argos, so at Christmas time itís back to places like Bromley to buy stuff for the kids.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on July 31, 2006, 01:31:03 PM
Yes.... all the good stores are going.  Went to Dartford Market last week, what a shambles.. that is another place which has gone down hill fast, but the housing is cheaper there, and several people I know moved from Catford but are now regretting it.  About Alders of Catford... I remember shopping there when I was a kid and the manager was a tall man who wore a mis matched wig, which always fasinated me . He always gave a little nod to my mother and fetched her a chair while she sorted out the net curtains. Went shopping in Catford last week, but was glad to get back to the serenity of Northumberland Heath , altho I must admit the shops there are better than Bexleyheath. The estate on which I live has a big green opposite our house and they come every week and cut the grass and trim the bushes, and every day to pick up the rubbish.  I cant fault the Council for that.  Bel
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on July 31, 2006, 04:20:47 PM
I have just come back from Dartford needed the bank. I have never seen it so busy on a Monday. But yes you are right there is nothing much there except estate agents charity shops and again cheap shops. The only thing Dartford has going for it is the schools are really good. Which apart from the cheaper housing, is one of the reasons we moved here from Catford 7 years ago.

I went to Erith as a change last week thought I would shop at Morrisonís as we are fed up with Tescoís. I havenít been to Erith in 20+ years and was pleasantly surprised by the area around Morrisonís and my daughter loved the waterfront promenade to watch the boats. My aunt Used to be the Landlady at the wheatly Arms in Erith probably the last one before they pulled it down and it and the area around it was a real dump.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on July 31, 2006, 08:56:22 PM
I often go to the Playhouse at |Erith, which is brilliant. The waterfront is very pleasant too, but like most areas there are good and bad pockets. It would be nice if they did river trips from the pier there.When we were looking for a property to buy 3 years ago we decided on a town house  as we needed plenty of room and were lucky to find this one as it ticked all the boxes. My son's girlfriend bought a similar house in Bromley at the same time and it was £l00,00 dearer. Bel
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 01, 2006, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.


A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 01, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.


A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?

Bren


Yes Bel - I just had the same thought.  I've never seen a market in Grove Park.

But it's beginning to be the same here in Australia with the shops.  Although we mainly have shopping malls in Perth, because of the heat, the only 'outside' shopping area is the city of Perth itself, but even then there are a lot of arcades.  Mainly cheap clothing shops for the kids, we do have better quality shops for us oldens.  We also have two very nice department stores - Myer and David jones, in which you can get all sorts of clothing.
When I was in England recently I was based in Hammersmith/Fulham and the shops there were old style no malls to speak of.  I was told by friends that I didn't really want to go to Lewisham, and the last time I went to Bromley I got lost.  Bromley was my 'local' shopping centre before I left England, and i remember arriving from Grove Park into Bromley North, strolling down the High street on one side and wandering up the other side, stopping off for a cup of coffee and a slice of cake along the way, in the importers shop.
Title: Thank you
Post by: JSmith on August 01, 2006, 03:44:07 AM
Thanks Mike for the new photo's of downham, you are doing a great job with the site and I just like the other guys are grateful to be able to keep in touch with dear old Downham.



Brenda: my wife and I have been trying to remember the name of the "pet shop" on the corner, what seems for ages, yes hair cuts, what a terrible place that was.
Thanks


Dickie: I remember Cheismans right on the corner where the oblisk used to stand, I remember going down to the basement to have a pony ride there, there were 2 or 3 ponys, and you would be led around a circle on the pony, may have been christmas time.  I believe the oblisk was moved, but can't remember what it was for, over to you Dickie the historian.   Smiffy
Title: Re: Thank you
Post by: Pauline on August 01, 2006, 04:37:46 AM
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.Brenda: my wife and I have been trying to remember the name of the "pet shop" on the corner, what seems for ages, yes hair cuts, what a terrible place that was.
Thanks Smiffy


My dad used to buy chicks there.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 01, 2006, 08:17:35 AM
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.
A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?
Bren
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        They built a group of shops opposite grove park station long after I had left on my wanderings, it even had an area of frontage which became a car park . Presumably one or two local traders made use of the parking area to hold a mini-market. Grove park itself was always a miserable place to shop and had non of the charisma of going "up the top", or the bottom of downham way.              dickie......................
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 01, 2006, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: Dick Eagle
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.
A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?
Bren
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        They built a group of shops opposite grove park station long after I had left on my wanderings, it even had an area of frontage which became a car park . Presumably one or two local traders made use of the parking area to hold a mini-market. Grove park itself was always a miserable place to shop and had non of the charisma of going "up the top", or the bottom of downham way.              dickie......................


Yes near the bus station, there was a Pricerites I recall.  Mum would send me shopping each night when I got home from school, started off with one item, and expanded.  Nowadays we have a saying when something gets bigger "It's like my mothers shopping list".
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 01, 2006, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: Pauline
Quote from: Dick Eagle
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.
A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?
Bren
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        They built a group of shops opposite grove park station long after I had left on my wanderings, it even had an area of frontage which became a car park . Presumably one or two local traders made use of the parking area to hold a mini-market. Grove park itself was always a miserable place to shop and had non of the charisma of going "up the top", or the bottom of downham way.              dickie......................


Yes near the bus station, there was a Pricerites I recall.  Mum would send me shopping each night when I got home from school, started off with one item, and expanded.  Nowadays we have a saying when something gets bigger "It's like my mothers shopping list".



The Market was in the Car park of the Baring Hall Hotel (Pub)  I will check with My dad when it started.
 but I know it was there in the early 70s and didnt stop til some timein the 90s. It was on a friday so as not to clash with Bromleys Thursday market.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 01, 2006, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
Quote from: Pauline
Quote from: Dick Eagle
Quote from: Brenda
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
[quote\]. Grove Park Market is long gone.
A market at Grove Park?  When?  Where?
Bren
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        They built a group of shops opposite grove park station long after I had left on my wanderings, it even had an area of frontage which became a car park . Presumably one or two local traders made use of the parking area to hold a mini-market. Grove park itself was always a miserable place to shop and had non of the charisma of going "up the top", or the bottom of downham way.              dickie......................


Yes near the bus station, there was a Pricerites I recall.  Mum would send me shopping each night when I got home from school, started off with one item, and expanded.  Nowadays we have a saying when something gets bigger "It's like my mothers shopping list".



The Market was in the Car park of the Baring Hall Hotel (Pub)  I will check with My dad when it started.
 but I know it was there in the early 70s and didnt stop til some timein the 90s. It was on a friday so as not to clash with Bromleys Thursday market.


I don't remember the Baring having a car park!  It was right on top of the railway line to Hither Green.  And I don't remember a market there in the 70s,  I remember the winkle man.  Sent to buy a pint of winkles of a Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Thank you
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 01, 2006, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: JSmith

 I remember Cheismans right on the corner where the oblisk used to stand,   I believe the oblisk was moved, but can't remember what it was for,Smiffy


Did you mean the Clock tower that stood out side Cheismans in the middle of the road. So that traffic coming from Lee High road and Lewisham High street had to go around it.
 That was moved about 50 yards towards the High street when they made the High street Between the Post office at Lee High road and the entrance to theRiverdale centre next to Marks and spencers pedestrian only.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on August 01, 2006, 08:16:23 PM
ah......yes I remember the pony rides now and the oblisk and the water trough . Used to get the bus from Lewisham to Greenwich to visit my grandmother .I used to think that Greenwich was a dump in those days and couldnt wait to get back to Downham.. now it is a desirable place to live. Remember too the donkey rides in Greenwich Park , used to take a bottle of water and some jam sandwiches and spend the day there.Bel
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 02, 2006, 04:08:13 AM
Quote from: Bel
ah......yes I remember the pony rides now and the oblisk and the water trough . Used to get the bus from Lewisham to Greenwich to visit my grandmother .I used to think that Greenwich was a dump in those days and couldnt wait to get back to Downham.. now it is a desirable place to live. Remember too the donkey rides in Greenwich Park , used to take a bottle of water and some jam sandwiches and spend the day there.Bel


I used to go to Greenwich Park for the day with a group of friends, I must have been about 10 years old.  Can you imagine allowing a 10 year old to go to Greenwich Park now?

Just out of interest - Before coming to Australia I had several Oak trees in pots, about 3 ft high, I was eventually going to plant them in my garden, but coming here put the end to that.  But in 1987 there was a hurricane that came through, and uprooted a lot of Oak trees in Greenwich Park.  So I donated my trees, and the head gardener was over the moon, I had saved him about 6 years (Not much in the growth of an Oak tree I know). I went to visit them before I left, and they were still be tended in the 'nursery' and they were due to be planted in about 2000, I guess they are still there.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on August 02, 2006, 11:45:14 AM
what a lovely story, and what a thoughtful donation which must have been so much appreciated in view of the damage done to the park. I  used to plant acorns when I was a kid hoping for an instant oak tree, but never had much luck!  My mother however used to plant apple pips in her garden in Downham and in due course (over 20 years)  had a lovely apple tree with a bumper crop, which supplied all our neighbours with apples for their pies.  Bel
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 02, 2006, 11:42:25 PM
No, I didn't know Baring Hotel had a carpark either!  There probably wasn't a need for it originally as no-one on Downham had cars!  I do remember the old railway bridge near Grove Park station being renewed and the news shop built.   You're right Dickie, nobody really had any interest in shopping at Grove Park.  I've got a photo of the baker's shop.  I'll ask the lady in it if she minds it going into the photo gallery.  It's a good reminder of how bakers used to be.  

Chiesmans was where Mum used to take us to see Father Christmas.  I loved going through the 'tunnel' with the displays but didn't like Father Christmas.   I wasn't the sort of child who appreciated sittting on strangers' laps and being squeezed.  

Glad to have been of help with "Haircut's" shop.  Yes, it was a dreadful, dreadful place.  

Pauline, I love the anecdote of your oak trees.  It warms the heart.  I spent many a Saturday afternoon with my friend and her family in Greenwich Park. They had a car and whenever they took a trip anywhere, they always took me with them.  It was marvellous.  Later, when I was a teenager and had a wonky bike, another friend and I cycled there just about every day.  Oh those hills!

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 03, 2006, 08:55:59 AM
THe Carpark for the Baring hall is on Downham Way. Maybe it was the delivery yard or something. Or some where for the hotel guests to park. I will ask my dad what he remembers. It also might have been a bomb damaged house that never got rebuilt.
I remember going to the Shops at grove park with my grandparents in the 70s my nan used to go in to Epax (the freezer shop) next to the baring hall hotel. opposite the station. Also The International store (formerly pricerites) now I think somerfields. But on the whole it wasn't that great.

They have only just got an ATM machine put in the last five years or so since I stopped travelling through there.
THe best thing to have come to grove park is a tescos garage in the Esso petrol station next to the bus terminus and st augustines church. THey stock quite a lot of stuff in there and ever so handy as you obviously park at the pumps anddo a quick shop when you get your petrol.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 03, 2006, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
THe Carpark for the Baring hall is on Downham Way. Maybe it was the delivery yard or something. Or some where for the hotel guests to park. I will ask my dad what he remembers. It also might have been a bomb damaged house that never got rebuilt.
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I think there used to be a beer garden there at some time, there was also a detached house that I believe was a doctors surgery.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 03, 2006, 12:32:35 PM
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Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
THe Carpark for the Baring hall is on Downham Way. Maybe it was the delivery yard or something. Or some where for the hotel guests to park. I will ask my dad what he remembers. It also might have been a bomb damaged house that never got rebuilt.
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I think there used to be a beer garden there at some time, there was also a detached house that I believe was a doctors surgery.


THe Drs surgery is now a Funeral Directors.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 04, 2006, 01:03:07 AM
I think there used to be a beer garden there at some time, there was also a detached house that I believe was a doctors surgery.[/quote]

Yes, there was a doctor there.  My mother registered with him (can't remember his name, Dickie might) when we moved to Downham from Crutchley Rd.  I was frightened of him because he sat me on his lap and cuddled me so Mum re-registered with the wonderful Dr Hockman who served my family so well for the remainder of our Downham days.
Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 04, 2006, 10:06:11 AM
Dr Hockman was still going strong in 1987 when my Grandmother past to spirit at her home in Downham way and had to be certified By dr Hockman. THe only other Dr I can think of is DR Kramer(could be spelt with a C) My Aunt and family used him. Not sure which surgery he practised out of though.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 04, 2006, 06:11:13 PM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
Dr Hockman was still going strong in 1987 when my Grandmother past to spirt at her home in Downham way and had to be certified By
dr Hockman. THe only other Dr I can think of is DR Kramer(could be spelt with a C) My Aunt and family used him. Not sure which surgery he practised out of though.
dickie [/quote] I think it could have been one doctor Bee who diagnosed my kid sister as having a cold, fortunately doctor kelman recognised her as having diptheria and got her into Evelina hospital     dickie...........................
Title: Downham Doctors
Post by: JSmith on August 04, 2006, 11:21:48 PM
There was a Doctor on downham way, just up from bromley road on the left hand side,before the cut through to oakridge. It was a corner house and had a red light outside when surgery was open. Smiffy
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Bel on August 05, 2006, 09:55:51 AM
I remember Dr. Bee and have a photo of him somewhere when he attended a fancy dress party as a guest at Hamptons Happy Hours in the club hut just off Arcus Road. He used to charge one shilling for a consultation so of course we hardly ever called on him. Bel
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 06, 2006, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
Dr Hockman was still going strong in 1987 when my Grandmother past to spirit at her home in Downham way and had to be certified By dr Hockman. THe only other Dr I can think of is DR Kramer(could be spelt with a C) My Aunt and family used him. Not sure which surgery he practised out of though.


Was he really still going then?  My goodness.  Many years ago, he became quite ill and was diagnosed diabetic.  That's when he lost a lot of weight - he'd been quite a chubby chops previously.  A wonderful man, he really was.

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 06, 2006, 08:18:33 PM
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Quote from: Lindylou2_2002
Dr Hockman was still going strong in 1987 when my Grandmother past to spirit at her home in Downham way and had to be certified By dr Hockman. THe only other Dr I can think of is DR Kramer(could be spelt with a C) My Aunt and family used him. Not sure which surgery he practised out of though.


Was he really still going then?  My goodness.  Many years ago, he became quite ill and was diagnosed diabetic.  That's when he lost a lot of weight - he'd been quite a chubby chops previously.  A wonderful man, he really was.

Bren


I asume it was him I do family history and was looking at nans certificate the other day. And It was Dr Hockman who signed her off as she died at home. Maybe it was his son or something.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 07, 2006, 11:25:47 PM
I asume it was him I do family history and was looking at nans certificate the other day. And It was Dr Hockman who signed her off as she died at home. Maybe it was his son or something.[/quote]

Have a look at the initial.  His first name was Nathaniel.  Not that it proves anything for sure, of course.

Bren
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Lindylou2_2002 on August 08, 2006, 11:02:50 AM
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I asume it was him I do family history and was looking at nans certificate the other day. And It was Dr Hockman who signed her off as she died at home. Maybe it was his son or something.


Have a look at the initial.  His first name was Nathaniel.  Not that it proves anything for sure, of course.

Bren[/quote]

Yes that was him N Hockman also just asked dad and he confirmed it.
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: David Line on August 08, 2006, 11:54:58 AM
I remember Dr Hockman visiting our home in (about) 1953. As a youngster I had gone down with mumps, measles and chicken pox in rapid succession. As a treat my mother had bought me a licquorice cigarette in the end of which was a dried pea covered in red foil to represent the burning tobacco. Definitely not PC these days. Being a curious child I unwrapped the pea and managed to sniff it up my nose where it became jammed. Dr Hockman was duly summoned and, with the aid of a small spatula, he manged to prise the pea loose and worked it down to my nostril. Sadly I had been holding my breath and just before he recovered the object I sniffed and back it went! He tried this three times with the same result and at which point, even I as a 7 year old, realised he was losing his temper. The result was a visit to Lewisham Hospital where the staff of trained sadists clamped me to an examining couch and after numerous attempts to dislodge the object finally felt that a recourse to anaesthetic was inevitable. Imagine a youngster  being held down by four nurses by his feet and hands while a surgeon probed his nose. Terror was not the word. The pea was removed while I was unconscious and I was returned home with my mother by Tram still barely conscious.

David Line
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Pauline on August 09, 2006, 02:08:03 AM
Quote from: David Line
I remember Dr Hockman visiting our home in (about) 1953. As a youngster I had gone down with mumps, measles and chicken pox in rapid succession. As a treat my mother had bought me a licquorice cigarette in the end of which was a dried pea covered in red foil to represent the burning tobacco. Definitely not PC these days. Being a curious child I unwrapped the pea and managed to sniff it up my nose where it became jammed. Dr Hockman was duly summoned and, with the aid of a small spatula, he manged to prise the pea loose and worked it down to my nostril. Sadly I had been holding my breath and just before he recovered the object I sniffed and back it went! He tried this three times with the same result and at which point, even I as a 7 year old, realised he was losing his temper. The result was a visit to Lewisham Hospital where the staff of trained sadists clamped me to an examining couch and after numerous attempts to dislodge the object finally felt that a recourse to anaesthetic was inevitable. Imagine a youngster  being held down by four nurses by his feet and hands while a surgeon probed his nose. Terror was not the word. The pea was removed while I was unconscious and I was returned home with my mother by Tram still barely conscious.

David Line


I do wish you could see me - there are tears running down my face where I've been laughing so much!
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Dickie eagle on August 09, 2006, 11:26:59 PM
Quote from: Pauline
Quote from: David Line
I remember Dr Hockman visiting our home in (about) 1953.  The pea was removed while I was unconscious and I was returned home with my mother by Tram still barely conscious.
David Line


I do wish you could see me - there are tears running down my face where I've been laughing so much!
           dickie
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  I do see the funny side of david's unfortunate experience Brenda , in the circumstances judgeing by your reaction it is as well he had not sat on the pea    dickie............
Title: Lewisham shop
Post by: Brenda on August 09, 2006, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: David Line
Definitely not PC these days. Being a curious child I unwrapped the pea and managed to sniff it up my nose where it became jammed. !


Hallo David from France, you seem to have given us all a chuckle!  But hey, a Dr Hockman who got cross is almost an oxymoron, isn't it?  

Thank you for reviving those memories of the 'cigarettes'.  You're right, definitely not p.c. these days.

Where on Downham did you live?

Bren